is there a 'best' Glock?

I've seen factory Glocks that barely ran.

They're my go-to gun for cheap polymer hole punchers but some of them are mediocre and every time they change the recipe, they #### up something important and it takes them a year to fix it.

Still my preferred general purpose pistol but not without its issues IMO.
 
In defense of Glock (never thought I'd say that) most Glocks are screwed up by people who spend money trying to make their Glocks better in ways that you can't use - like reducing lock time, improving accuracy and shooting underwater.
 
I am no Glock fan boy lol any modern big name pistol is just as good. CZ, SIG, XD, Glock and HK are all quality pistols with the reputation to back it up.
 
Iceblood said:
Sorry if I've offended the glock gods. I recant, there's no way a glock could ever come out of the factory with a defect :evil:
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Your story is incomplete as you don't indicate or know whether or not the pistol had been modified. As Dsiwy stated the usual culprit is aftermarket garbage being installed. The light strikes could also be the result of hard primers or simply poor quality ammo, again, neither of which were confirmed or denied with your story. If you haven't all the facts I suggest not making wild claims or discounting the item in question.

TW25B
 
TW25B said:
Your story is incomplete as you don't indicate or know whether or not the pistol had been modified. As Dsiwy stated the usual culprit is aftermarket garbage being installed. The light strikes could also be the result of hard primers or simply poor quality ammo, again, neither of which were confirmed or denied with your story. If you haven't all the facts I suggest not making wild claims or discounting the item in question.

TW25B
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I see you wish to reopen the can of worms...
The course mate is a colleague of mine who I've been working with for several years now, the glock in question is a 9mm Gen 4 with no aftermarket internals, just night sights added. There are about 1000 rounds through the gun, the problem started to manifest after several hundred rounds. The ammunition used was: 124 gr FMJ reloads over titegroup using dominion primers. After the initial run of light primer strikes he took the gun home and took the slide group apart for extensive cleaning. Subsequent light primer strikes were observed on factory ammunition from Barnaul, CCI, and Federal. I have all the facts. If you haven't all the facts I suggest holding off on suggesting I have no idea what I'm talking about.

Flame on
 
everyone cool it.

someone questioned a post because it goes against common experience and lacked details. nobody was saying anybody didn't know what they were talking about. details have now been shared, which clarifies the matter.

sometimes there's a dud, no matter what a manufacturer does for QC. seems your friend got one of those. did they get their issues worked out?
 
Light strikes are par for the course with Barnaul. The current supply of that ammo is excellent - for teaching IA's for fail to fire. I don't know what type of primers they're using, but they sure are safe.
 
Iceblood said:
I see you wish to reopen the can of worms...
The course mate is a colleague of mine who I've been working with for several years now, the glock in question is a 9mm Gen 4 with no aftermarket internals, just night sights added. There are about 1000 rounds through the gun, the problem started to manifest after several hundred rounds. The ammunition used was: 124 gr FMJ reloads over titegroup using dominion primers. After the initial run of light primer strikes he took the gun home and took the slide group apart for extensive cleaning. Subsequent light primer strikes were observed on factory ammunition from Barnaul, CCI, and Federal. I have all the facts. If you haven't all the facts I suggest holding off on suggesting I have no idea what I'm talking about.

Flame on
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Gen 4 is not without it's issues. Reloads void warranty and open a whole new world of failures that are not a result of the firearm. Firing pins do wear out like any other part on any other gun. It could also be a defective part/gun from factory. The reality is that Glock produces the gold standard in reliable handguns. With many millions made, sold and used, the failure rate is near non existent. I've personally put over 40,000 rounds through my Glock without issue and several thousand more rounds through other Glocks without issue. I have also seen Glocks that won't run and it is almost always due to garbage aftermarket parts and/or poor maintenance.

If you have the facts, then I suggest you post them, less you wish to be called out on it..

TW25B
 
So this may be my chance to get/try a glock, target has a sale on, of those ones, which would you pick, the .357 g31 is real cheap probably due the caliber. I was thinking to get that one and then pick up A .40 barrel, although I did not price up the barrel yet, I am waiting til they open to call for the price of the G22 .40,s they have on sale!
Update, got the gen 4 G31, in .357, looking for a .40 barrel now! Comes with 3 mags too!
 
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G22 .40S&W - with .357SIG and 9mm barrels

G20SF 10mm - with .45ACP barrel

G23 .40S&W TB - with .357SIG barrel and 9mm TB (threaded barrel)

G27 .40S&W ext TB - with 9mm ext TB

G30SF .45ACP ext TB

G43 9mm ext TB

G42 .380 ext TB

(All Gen 4)

Also a 12 inch TB for the G22 when in it's the Hera Arms Triarii

Plus additional barrels & parts in:

9x25mm Dillon
9x23mm Win
.38 Super
.40 Super
.45 Super
.45 GAP
.400 Cor-Bon
.460 Rowland
.50 GI

And that just about completes my Glock collection.
 
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bobdbldr said:
So this may be my chance to get/try a glock, target has a sale on, of those ones, which would you pick, the .357 g31 is real cheap probably due the caliber. I was thinking to get that one and then pick up A .40 barrel, although I did not price up the barrel yet, I am waiting til they open to call for the price of the G22 .40,s they have on sale!
Update, got the gen 4 G31, in .357, looking for a .40 barrel now! Comes with 3 mags too!
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A 40 to 9mm barrel should work fine in that too - you just need mags and the barrel.
 
My Gen3 vs Gen4 experience, and yes I am a Glock enthusiast (or fan boy for all you haters);

I started with all 9mm Gen3s (26, 17, 19 & 34), and had no intention of changing. I had no complaints, and wondered why they were bringing out the Gen4. Like others have said, I think the sales loss to M&P was the biggest motivation. Once ejecting problems were solved with new springs, the Gen4 showed it is probably as reliable as the Gen3, but more time is needed to back that up. I was curious so I bought a used 17g4. I shot it, and my 17g3 equally for about 6 months. The G3 had some trigger work done to it before I bought it, so not a perfect comparison, but close enough. I felt they both had very similar recoil response, and reacted almost identically. The 3 was maybe a little snappier on recoil, but it was very slight, if at all.

Although they are almost identical, there are slight differences;

The grip size - Same as G3 when using the small backstrap, but 4 other options for different hand size. (+)
The grip texture - Definitely more aggressive, for a better hold. (+)
Ambi-mag release - Option for lefties or second finger mag release. (+)
Bigger mag release - Personally that's a plus for me, but variable depending on individual. (+/-)
Longer lasting, lower felt recoil new spring assembly - as long as it is reliable, the longer life span is a plus. Less recoil? Jury is out on that still, but would be nice if noticeable. (+)
Front Heavy - I never noticed any difference, but am going to check them both sometime today and see how they compare. STAY TUNED!

Overall I think the Gen4 has some very small improvements, even if they were not needed by most, they are still improvements overall. Since I bought the used G17G4, I bought a new G17G4FDE, sold my G17G3 (waiting fr CFO) and the G17G4 is on the EE. I sold my G19G3 then bought G19G4, sold my G34G3 and have a new G34G4MOS on order. My G26G3 I am not upgrading at this time.

I definitely prefer the new texture, bigger mag release and smaller grip option. I run all my Glocks with factory internal parts. The only changes I make are to Meprolight night sights, Glock extended mag release and Glock extended slide lock.
 
bobdbldr said:
So this may be my chance to get/try a glock, target has a sale on, of those ones, which would you pick, the .357 g31 is real cheap probably due the caliber. I was thinking to get that one and then pick up A .40 barrel, although I did not price up the barrel yet, I am waiting til they open to call for the price of the G22 .40,s they have on sale!
Update, got the gen 4 G31, in .357, looking for a .40 barrel now! Comes with 3 mags too!
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I can see that you thought you got it, but you did not. Sorry about that.
 
JACKSMYDOG said:
My Gen3 vs Gen4 experience, and yes I am a Glock enthusiast (or fan boy for all you haters);

I started with all 9mm Gen3s (26, 17, 19 & 34), and had no intention of changing. I had no complaints, and wondered why they were bringing out the Gen4. Like others have said, I think the sales loss to M&P was the biggest motivation. Once ejecting problems were solved with new springs, the Gen4 showed it is probably as reliable as the Gen3, but more time is needed to back that up. I was curious so I bought a used 17g4. I shot it, and my 17g3 equally for about 6 months. The G3 had some trigger work done to it before I bought it, so not a perfect comparison, but close enough. I felt they both had very similar recoil response, and reacted almost identically. The 3 was maybe a little snappier on recoil, but it was very slight, if at all.

Although they are almost identical, there are slight differences;

The grip size - Same as G3 when using the small backstrap, but 4 other options for different hand size. (+)
The grip texture - Definitely more aggressive, for a better hold. (+)
Ambi-mag release - Option for lefties or second finger mag release. (+)
Bigger mag release - Personally that's a plus for me, but variable depending on individual. (+/-)
Longer lasting, lower felt recoil new spring assembly - as long as it is reliable, the longer life span is a plus. Less recoil? Jury is out on that still, but would be nice if noticeable. (+)
Front Heavy - I never noticed any difference, but am going to check them both sometime today and see how they compare. STAY TUNED!

Overall I think the Gen4 has some very small improvements, even if they were not needed by most, they are still improvements overall. Since I bought the used G17G4, I bought a new G17G4FDE, sold my G17G3 (waiting fr CFO) and the G17G4 is on the EE. I sold my G19G3 then bought G19G4, sold my G34G3 and have a new G34G4MOS on order. My G26G3 I am not upgrading at this time.

I definitely prefer the new texture, bigger mag release and smaller grip option. I run all my Glocks with factory internal parts. The only changes I make are to Meprolight night sights, Glock extended mag release and Glock extended slide lock.
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Thanks for that comparison JMD. A lot of good points, I don't own the Gen 4 but from this post I can almost feel the differences.

The front heavy feeling I'm hearing on the Gen 4 supposedly because of the heavier recoil spring or the ergos with different grips I'm not sure, would it be more prevalent in the G174 versus say the G224 or the G214??? I'm thinking with our 10 round mag laws and all three guns limited to 10, the g22 with its 10 180 gr rounds and the G21 with its 10 230gr possibly rounds ajnd the bigger cases etc, would put more weight right in the hand and anything changing a little at the muzzle would not be as noticeable if at all?
 
RememberTheSomme said:
Thanks for that comparison JMD. A lot of good points, I don't own the Gen 4 but from this post I can almost feel the differences.

The front heavy feeling I'm hearing on the Gen 4 supposedly because of the heavier recoil spring or the ergos with different grips I'm not sure, would it be more prevalent in the G174 versus say the G224 or the G214??? I'm thinking with our 10 round mag laws and all three guns limited to 10, the g22 with its 10 180 gr rounds and the G21 with its 10 230gr possibly rounds ajnd the bigger cases etc, would put more weight right in the hand and anything changing a little at the muzzle would not be as noticeable if at all?
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I just checked my G17s G3 vs G4 for balance point.

The G4 with no grip insert balance point is about 1/16th closer to the front than the G3.
With either of the short straps on, the balance point is almost identical on both.
With beavertails, the G4 balance point is closer to the rear than a G3.

Even though the balance point moves back with the backstraps, your grip moves farther to the rear as well. The thicker the backstrap you're using, the farther forward the slide and barrel move comparative to the centre line of your grip.
 
JACKSMYDOG said:
I just checked my G17s G3 vs G4 for balance point.

The G4 with no grip insert balance point is about 1/16th closer to the front than the G3.
With either of the short straps on, the balance point is almost identical on both.
With beavertails, the G4 balance point is closer to the rear than a G3.

Even though the balance point moves back with the backstraps, your grip moves farther to the rear as well. The thicker the backstrap you're using, the farther forward the slide and barrel move comparative to the centre line of your grip.
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To me the difference is night and day in regards to how the pistol feels in the front end. If I close my eyes and pick up one off of a table I can tell you instantly if I'm holding a gen 3 or 4. Maybe I've lost my mind but it was a big enough difference for me to stay with a gen 3.
 
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