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- calgary alberta
The problem there is that the market for prohibited mags is very low.
Is there any demand for an ALL Canadian made bolt action precision rifle?
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The problem there is that the market for prohibited mags is very low.
Our actions are superior to what Surgeon builds in many respects
can you explain and detail this for us please?
-you use m16 extractor like all big name.
-You use 416 SS steel. Majority of manufacturer will use 416 or 4140.
-Every one offer at least one model with intergral picatinny rail and integral recoil lug
-Do you offer tang option ,bolt noose option ,bolt flutting , ejection port option and bolt knob option like defiance machine?
I personally would like to see you offer us a custom rifle capable of modularity with quick barrel swap, like the DTA or other system on the market. With an action like the Badger M-2013. Then i would pay 5000$+
can you explain and detail this for us please?
-you use m16 extractor like all big name.
-You use 416 SS steel. Majority of manufacturer will use 416 or 4140.
-Every one offer at least one model with intergral picatinny rail and integral recoil lug
-Do you offer tang option ,bolt noose option ,bolt flutting , ejection port option and bolt knob option like defiance machine?
I personally would like to see you offer us a custom rifle capable of modularity with quick barrel swap, like the DTA or other system on the market. With an action like the Badger M-2013. Then i would pay 5000$+
Would this not fall under the same small loop hole that allows 10 round AR pistol mags to be used in regular AR rifles?
So why couldn't someone make a bolt action rifle ( that has no mag limit ) and engineer it in a way in which the mag would fit in a m14?
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- calgary alberta
http://www.surgeonrifles.com/surgeon-591-detail
Only SOME of the Surgeon actions come with the M16 style extractor and built in rail.
As far as I can see they are all chrome moly steel, not stainless, so then you have to apply some sort of finish to it to prevent rust.
Every Surgeon action I have ever held comes as a bag of parts so "some assembly required" would lead me to believe they are NOT in any way hand fitted hence the tolerances of the 20 plus actions we brought in had looser tolerances that what we make.
ALL of our actions and bolts are salt bath nitrided which completely eliminates any metal galling.
Our bolts are coned like the pre 64 Winchesters for better feeding, our bolts come with enlarged tactical style knobs although any bolt knob can be ordered.
Our ejection ports are longer than any other on the market.
Being as we firmly believe that fluting is a purely cosmetic fad that serves no real purpose at all we do not flute our bolts.
Apart from creating issues for the stock makers having assorted proprietary tangs makes no sense. Even an idiot can inlet for a 700 tang, ours are thicker but the same profile.
We believe that an integral scope rail is contrary to clients interest. We have had many clients spec a plus 20 or 30 MOA rail only to come back later wanting 40 to 60 MOA. In a well machined action this is easily possible, with a built in rail you can not.
We also offer our actions in almost any configuration of bolt and port sides.
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Why it's so complicated......
you just wrote it, 10 rounds are PISTOL MAG, this is WHY you can have them, if you have a 20 round bolt action rifle mag it's OK as long as it will NOT fit on ANY semi-auto rifle..... 
Market have 10 and 20 round mag for the 7600 remmy pump hunting rifle but they are PROHIB because the fit on the 7400 remmy wich is a SEMI-AUTO rifle
it's STUPID law but it is the law !!!
Why it's so complicated......
you just wrote it, 10 rounds are PISTOL MAG, this is WHY you can have them, if you have a 20 round bolt action rifle mag it's OK as long as it will NOT fit on ANY semi-auto rifle..... Market have 10 and 20 round mag for the 7600 remmy pump hunting rifle but they are PROHIB because the fit on the 7400 remmy wich is a SEMI-AUTO rifle
it's STUPID law but it is the law !!!
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I would have to join, many here in saying $5K is too much. For a paper puncher i believe a Sako TRG42 is at that range.
A gun that took what they have tried to do with the Rem 700 sendero, made it better, in canada....now that would be interesting. A tack driving light target rifle, or heavy hunting gun. But still not at $5K.
A gun that took what they have tried to do with the Rem 700 sendero, made it better, in canada....now that would be interesting. A tack driving light target rifle, or heavy hunting gun. But still not at $5K.
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looks like they are in utah
I need to chime in here on this thread. I've personally seen the work AT does and have had the opportunity to try out their builds. Outstanding!!!!
One of my shooting partners has a couple of their builds, and I can honestly say they are worth every penny. Six inch groups at over 2000 yards is nothing to scoff at.
One of my shooting partners has a couple of their builds, and I can honestly say they are worth every penny. Six inch groups at over 2000 yards is nothing to scoff at.
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- Northumberland
anyhow, and not to start naming all kinds of competitors, but i was looking at the apa paragon, do you think you could make something like that with all canadian material? are there folding stock options here in canada? would it survive the same torture test in the apa youtube videos? if you have answered yes to all these question i can only say " does anybody want to buy a gently used kidney"
I for one don't feel the price is out of line. What Rick is offering is a rifle composed of some of the best parts the Canadian firearms industry has to offer. None of which are mass produced. ATRS is currently putting together a rifle for me on one of their actions and the work that goes into building the action is quite extensive. Not to mention all the other parts that would be coming from smaller custom builders. One can't expect a custom, hand built rifle like this to fall into the same price point of a sendero or sako.
IMO having no experience in the retail sales of firearms, I would think the market would be to small in Canada at that price range. Dropping 5 large + on a target rifle is a lot for the average shooter, more for the experienced target shooters or someone getting serious about it. Which would be small piece of the pie. You could do a semi custom Rem 700 action for half that and have a bigger market IMHO
By the sounds of it your rifle would be worth every penny and the idea of a all Canadian made rifle is awesome, but I don't see the Canadian market big enough to be worth while.
By the sounds of it your rifle would be worth every penny and the idea of a all Canadian made rifle is awesome, but I don't see the Canadian market big enough to be worth while.
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