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spooksar - I've played with all the different 6.5x284 rounds in the library - choosing identical settings on both the iPhone and iPod Touch and I'm getting exactly the same result.

The only thing that might be different on the iPod is in the scope settings, you may have it set to 1/16MOA clicks, instead of 1/4MOA clicks (the values are rounded, so it's still possible for 17 to be divisible into 64) or perhaps on a MIL setting instead. I would double check to ensure you have the same scope click settings on both - let me know if it's still coming out erroneously.


incognyto - I've actually had the idea to include a GPS-based range finder and am still considering adding it to the feature-set... I'll let you know if anything materializes. Have you found the image-based range finding feature yet? I posted a link to the tutorials section of my site on a post higher up, if not =)
 
You're right logan, using the G7 drag-model is only ideal for long-range projectiles of a particular shape; JBM has a tool that you can enter all the specifics of your ammo at different ranges and it will tell you which drag-model is best suited for that particular projectile (by statistical analysis) or you can compare the physical shape of your bullet to the standard drag-model shapes - http://www.frfrogspad.com/drgshape.htm.

Either way, using the best native drag-model for your ammo will result in the best possible results.

Everyone is 'going on' about the G7 coefficients, because manufacturers are notorious for releasing B.C's that are only accurate to short distances - recently Brian Litz released some experimentally derived G7 B.C's that are extremely accurate to extended distances (1000yds and beyond). They are published in his book "Applied Ballistics for Long Range Shooting" - http://www.appliedballisticsllc.com/index_files/Products.htm
 
Whys does everyone use G7 ballistics? doesn't it depend on what type of bullet you are shooting?

In my own case I was using the default G1 ballistics and was shooting way over the target. I was spotting for Spooksar and at 500 yards, he was (what looked like) 10' overtop of the target. I mentioned G7 ballistics and his come up numbers were lower but very accurate.

G7 seems to be the way to go. Can't explain the details of it. :redface:
 
Unfortunately not - iSnipe is only compatible with the iPhone, iPad and iPod Touch. I'm working on an email feature to allow the sending of data sheets and such. I'll let you know when it's ready to go.
 
I have ISnipe and ballistic FTE and I'm still trying to get my head around both.
I only have 2 rnds that I want to use.
.223 69gr Sierra BTHP 20" barrel, 3000fps
.308 WIN, 168gr BTHP, 20" barrel 3000fps
(BTW I don't have a chono, I'm using the date on the box)

I need a tutorial on these programs as I'd like to print up some data cards, and save the two charts as "favorites"

How do I know how to select G1 or G7?
 
I've been playing around with Bulletflight, had a chrono out and got numbers for my 55gr and 62gr out of my 10.3" upper and put the numbers in.
Bulletflight is super easy to use, and if you don't have a gun close to any of the preloaded ones, it's easy to ad or modify the ones there.

I think I'll dl isnipe as well and play with it a bit as well....
 
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Excelent app. I have shot out to 1000 yards with 3 different rifles, my 22-250 with berger VLD's is bang on using Litz G7 BC, chrono velocities, and proper current conditions. The other two rifles were very close, the worst was off by about 12" (low). I think the hardest thing is getting an accurate BC, once the bullet slows a bit and the manufacturer BC gets higher than actual BC. I have Bryan's book and if your shooting one of the bullets from the book with his G7 number the solutions will be very close.

I found that the weather station is usually pretty close but the elevation seems to be off, sometimes by several hundred meters of elevation. Although I live in the mountains, so there is pretty large changes all around where I shoot.

If you have a true BC, proper chrono tested velocity and good site condition data the app gives good shot solutions.
 
Thanks for the awesome field test Max - I look forward to hearing how everything performs out to 1000yards =)

Just a quick correction for yukoncoyote, the Litz data is not yet included in iSnipe - I have spoken with Brian and received permission to use his data, which I will be doing in the next major version, which is still in development.

There are a few other highly requested features that will be included in that release as well - but as usual, if you guys have any requests or find any bugs don't hesitate to PM me.

One word for you...
ANDROID :stirthepot2:
 
Check out the Video Tutorial section of the website, most of your questions will be answered in an easy-to-follow manner - http://isnipe.webdiligence.ca/screencasts.html

Thanks for the "heads up" this was very helpful in getting around in the program.
However, I'm left with 2 questions?
How do I choose between G1 or G7?
In my chart, from 100-600, my mil readings for elevation are all minus?

I'm using the ISnipe software and its asks me for a reticle type?
I have the 5X25 Premier with the Gen 2 XR reticle, so which of these is the closest?

(a)Army 3.375 MOA
(b)USMC 3.438 MOA
 
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1.) In my chart, from 100-600, my mil readings for elevation are all minus?

2.) which of these is the closest?
(a)Army 3.375 MOA
(b)USMC 3.438 MOA

3.) How do I choose between G1 or G7?


1.) This sounds like you've entered a distance further than 600 yards as your zero distance... so everything short of that distance will have a negative value, meaning you'll have dial back your scope from your zero distance.

2.) Your scope uses the USMC standard of 3.438MOA... I determined this by going to the techinical page of your reticle (http://www.premierreticles.com/pdfs/2009-5-25xxGen2XR.pdf) and looking at the value of 1MOA - which in this case equals 3.6 inches at 100 yards, which is equal to 3.438MOA.

3.) This question is a good one and one that I get fairly often (I'm working on a video tutorial for this subject as well). Unfortunately it's difficult to answer quickly, as there is a bit information that you (and others) should know first... Keep in mind, this is not an exhaustive answer - the subject of drag models is a little more complex than I describe below.

Most ammo manufacturers publish their ballistic data using the G1 drag model. There exists several drag models though (G1, G2, G5, G6, G7, G8), each describes a different shaped bullet - G1 being the 'standard' comparison shape. The odd thing is though, the G1 bullet looks more like a round-nose .22 bullet than todays more advanced VLD boat-tail rounds, so ammo manufacturers have to convert their ballistic data, from whatever drag model that shape bullet uses, to the G1 drag model.

They do this because the equation for the G1 drag model gives a higher Ballistic Coefficient value... this does not mean that one Ballistic Coefficient is necessarily better than another, as a proper G1 or G7 ballistic coefficient will give you similar trajectories. What can be said, is that using a bullets native ballistic coefficient (meaning, if a bullet is shaped like a G5, use a G5 BC - if it's shaped like a G7, use a G7) will result in a more accurate end result, particularly out to longer ranges (800 yards +).

Here is a quick example: A bullet manufacturer has published a G1 BC of 0.659 for their 7 mm Match Target VLD bullet. The same bullet has a G7 BC of 0.337. For the untrained person, the G1 "looks" to be a better number because of higher numerical value and thus, manufacturers choose to publish G1 numbers. The irony here is that using a proper G7 B.C. will result in a more accurate result for the shooter, the challenge is finding these numbers published. An excellent resource, if you're interested to know more, is the book Applied Ballistics for Long Range Shooting by Bryan Litz - Not only does his book do a great job of bringing this complex subject matter into easily understandable terms, but it also includes 175, G7 ballistic coefficients that Bryan personally field tested and calculated using a very precise measurement system... Definitely worth the read and purchase, if only for the B.Cs.

Additionally, I always recommend that users measure their ammo's velocity at two, or more, known distances (0 and 100 yards, for example) and then use these numbers to find an accurate B.C. for the average speed out of your rifle. This requires a Chronograph though, which is not something that all shooters have or want to purchase; Using the published G1 B.C. in this case will, at very least, get you on paper.

The short answer to your question is that the vast majority of people will continue to use the standard G1 drag model, but there are some bullets in the iSnipe database, as well as additional factory ammo available, that use a G7 B.C.
 
1.) This sounds like you've entered a distance further than 600 yards as your zero distance... so everything short of that distance will have a negative value, meaning you'll have dial back your scope from your zero distance.

I used a 100 yd zero?
Is the "minus" value? the mil drop from 100 to 600?

Thanks, good stuff BTW :)
 
I used a 100 yd zero?

Thanks, good stuff BTW :)

Hrm... this is odd. Your elevation in MIL (or MOA/Clicks) should read negative until you reach your zero-distance. At which point, it should read 0, then proceed into positive numbers.

The Path in Inches will read negative on most of the values.

If you're seeing negative values in the Elevation column that exceed the Zero-Distance you've entered then something is not functioning as it should, or there has been an odd number entered in one of the boxes.

If you wouldn't mind double-checking your values for me - if you're still seeing this happen, would you mind sending me a screenshot of your homescreen as well as the range card screen? (press the sleep button + the home button at the same time to snap a picture of the current screen) - isnipe-support@webdiligence.ca
 
This is what I am seeing in the chart, and how do I send the snapshot?

Elevat.
(mil)
-0.61 100yrd
-0.82 200
-0.89 300
-0.93
-0.95
-0.97

This is for ballistic coeff .301, ,223 Rem 69gr federal sierra matchking BTHP

The #'s in the path (in) are positive.
 
I think I figured out what was wrong, I put the "angle" in the rifle section to 0, I had 90 degrees in there for some reason? anyway it now shows positive #'s.
 
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Also I seen a picture of some guy who had a bracket for his iphone that mounted to his pic rail, this would be super handy to have all that data right there hands free... Anyone herd of this?

Knights Armament Company makes a mount the attached the the Otterbox IPOD/IPHONE case and then attaches to you rifle via Picatinney side rails..........Price is $160.00 U.S.

ipod_otterbox_armor_case_1gen.jpg
 
Is there a feature on isnipe for moving targets, playing around with i I couldn't find it but I am also useless when it comes to anything related to a computer. Thx
 
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