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Israeli M1 carbines .. Anyone get one?
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Yes, its called the Mishmar Ezrachi - "auxilliary guard" or "civil guard"
So far I have over 300+ cast lead down range with no problems.
Are these Israeli M1 carbines in 7.62×33mm (30cal.)?
Are they not Restricted?
Why is the Chiappa M1-9 Carbine found at Tenda Non-restricted.
Is it because it is 9mm or something to do with barrel length?
Trying to wrap my head around
Are they not Restricted?
Why is the Chiappa M1-9 Carbine found at Tenda Non-restricted.
Is it because it is 9mm or something to do with barrel length?
Trying to wrap my head around
Are these Israeli M1 carbines in 7.62×33mm (30cal.)?
Are they not Restricted?
Why is the Chiappa M1-9 Carbine found at Tenda Non-restricted.
Is it because it is 9mm or something to do with barrel length?
Trying to wrap my head around
Barrel length .... there are auto ordnance brand new M1 carbines in 30 cal that are also non-restricted due to an 18.5” barrel as the original has an 18” barrel. There are, apparently, also original M1’s that have been rebarreled to non-restricted with a longer barrel and might be found used.
fingers284
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Lawrence, I have read of lead with wax or PC lube that do clog up the gas hole/poppet and stop the action on some rifles but others claim no hinderance at all. I think if the gas hole has any lip/bur however small from the drilling operation that they will catch fowling easily but if the barrel channel is smooth you'll be golden.
I have shot a few PC coated through mine with no problems... yet...
I was looking at M1 carbines many years go at the Rochester Gun show . I couldn't bring one back because of the barrel length . a half inch too short . Dam $180 . everything was there . every make was there in boxes . WW2 rifles . Rockola ? it really made me mad . the guy had tables full of boxes .
fingers284
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Good post. I was going to add this this morning.
If someone needs the "tool" and cant locate one, they are easily made from a piece of drill rod of appropriate dia. and a drill slightly larger than the poppet dia. and a file or milling machine. File method might not be "so easy" and take a lot of time but it will be cheaper than buying or having a machine shop build one. A machine shop or friend with a hobby mill machine can make on in an hour or so.
I made mine when I had to change the barrel to a NR length one, it worked perfectly but the "staking" Contact talks about was minimal on my gun.
Sorry for the necro thread bump, but I figured I'd update on what is shipping in spring 2024 if you just order randomly from the CGN stocking dealers, sight unseen.
I've ordered two of these in the last couple weeks ,from two different CGN dealers (G4C and Canada's Gunstore). One in full wood (G4C) and one a in a choate folder (Canada's Gunstore, the folders are much cheaper).
The G4C arrived a few days ago, and has already been disassembled, cleaned up, and put back together.
Admittedly, I forgot to take a "just unboxed" photo of the rifle, so you'll have to take my word for how it looked.
How it arrived:
Shipping was professional and adequate. It came in the box the importer is using, and inside that box, heavy packing paper was balled up and shoved everywhere so the rifle could not move around. The slide handle had a chunk of foam on it to stop it punching through the box. The importer's box was wrapped in thick corrugated packing cardboard that has some shock protection value. Not the best packing I've ever gotten (that would generally be anything bought from P&S...), but not the worst and it did its job.
The rifle as received was... salty? To be frank, if I had judged it by how it looked out of the box and seen it in person before ordering, I'd have kept my money. Every surface of the rifle was caked in black soot, and something resembling the remnants of black axle grease, but is likely wheel bearing grease mixed with fouling residue (?). The stock had a very musty odor. Apparently the Isrealis had stamped rifle serial numbers into the buttstocks, and this one had an older number that looked like it had been roughly cut out with a dull chisel, and a new number stamped behind it. Both numbers were mostly obliterated by my cleaning up the stock gouging in that area, but you can still somewhat make out the matching number. There was a large gouge on the forestock filled very roughly with some sort of black wood putty. Lots of deep dents and dings, and a few non-structural cracks.
That said, ordering this late in the game, I fully expected the rifle to possibly disappoint - and frankly, if the metal was all good, I would still have been OK with the purchase.
When I ordered I made only one request - "please send me a gun in an M1 stock not an M2 stock". I had seen on various forums that the dealers had examples of each. Of course, the gun I was shipped had an M2 stock so clearly they either don't accommodate even the most basic of selection requests or didn't read my order comments. I didn't try to phone them before my order was processed, mostly because I wanted to see what they are shipping to the average online customer.
Now for the good.
Receiver (by serial number) is January 1944, Inland. Definitely a US rebuild done in the states, and retains its 12-43 original inland barrel in excellent shape (perfect bore). It has the sometimes encountered serial number re-stamped ahead of the rear sight to make it easier to read. Other arsenals did that too, but SA did it a lot. I don't think Inland would have done it at manufacture, but it's neatly done and not objectionable. I doubt this barreled receiver was shot a lot, despite being carried "too beaucoup".
The rifle would have left the factory with a round Inland bolt, push button safety, Inland trigger group, a Type 2 band with no lug, and it would have been manufactured with the recently introduced adjustable sights. Inland was using adjustable sights since December 1943 or so. So the rear sight on this one might be original. Not much else remains, it's a complete mixmaster from the rebuild where it likely got new wood, upgraded safety and mag catch, bayonet lug added, and a refinish. The M2 stock is walnut and has a crossed cannon cartouche faintly stamped in the sling well. I think that makes it probably a 1945 Inland M2 stock (originally).
Some things I've noticed:
-Winchester hammer
-Rock-Ola trigger guard
-IBM round bolt (it would have been made with a round inland bolt)
-everything else is either typical for Inland or unmarked.
I had anticipated the springs being shot out, but they all still measure within spec. Even the recoil spring is barely used (measures 10.125" instead of the 10.25" it would be new, but this one definitely has life left in it).
Gun came with a M4 carbine bayonet of non-US manufacture from what I can tell. Not sure who made it, it has screwed-on bakelite scales that are contoured to look like a leather handle. The scabbard looks USGI.
So anyway, after literally HOURS of scrubbing with varsol, the metal came up really nice. A lot of the gun's finish is intact. Not pristine, but not terrible. Some parts like the bolt have more finish wear than they should for the condition of other finishes, so I suspect the Israelis may have changed some parts on the gun when it was in their hands too. But everything was functional, and I don't think I'll need to replace any metal parts at all to preserve good function.
The stock required more work. I had to epoxy a cosmetic crack ahead of the mag well, and one up by the tip of the stock. I had to use a small wood plane in a few spots to regain the lines of the wood where old chisel work had been poorly done, I had to also plane away a shallow but poorly repaired gouge and its ugly wood filler. I spent a couple hours steaming out the dents that could be steamed out. I've now got around 10 coats of RLO on the wood and it isn't really drinking any more, so it just needs to cure now. The handguard is a little rougher than the stock - solid but well worn. I have a few replacements and I may yet change it out - I'm undecided. It is a proper Inland 2 rivet handguard at least.
Gun did come with a promag 5 rounder that felt like it had sand and gravel in it that is destined for the trash bin. KCI mags all the way, if you ask me.
Anyhow, the gun now looks and functions WAY smoother and better. If it had looked like this on the shelf of a local store, I might well have impulse bought it. So if you do order one of the wood stocked guns still for sale, sight unseen, and have some reasonable woodworking skills (from a cosmetic and repair perspective - there is no real fitting required) - you can likely expect the gun to turn out similarly to this one. I would not plan on the dealer (or G4C anyway) doing any hand select or trying to accommodate requests for specific makers, stock types, etc.
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When the second example gets here, I'll report on it as well. I'm sure these have all been picked over by the locals who can see them in person and the very best carbines with the most desirable ww2 era parts are likely long sold after 3 years of these being in dealer inventories - but hopefully it will also be a diamond that looked rough to all those local lads.
My plans for these - when the second one comes, I'm going to look at both guns objectively and the better of the two is getting a new criterion NR barrel and possibly a re-parkerizing. I have a new dupage oval-cut low-wall stock set en-route that will go on whichever gun gets that new barrel. Conversion to type 2 barrel band as well (I have a couple in the spares box), as the bayo lug is non-functional with an NR barrel anyhow. depending on the melange of parts between the guns, I might do some manufacturer swapping, undecided. These are all made to be interchangeable, so that's no harm. We'll see. Not sure what I'll do with the second one - likely keep it restricted.
The "after" photos:
My plans for these - when the second one comes, I'm going to look at both guns objectively and the better of the two is getting a new criterion NR barrel and possibly a re-parkerizing. I have a new dupage oval-cut low-wall stock set en-route that will go on whichever gun gets that new barrel. Conversion to type 2 barrel band as well (I have a couple in the spares box), as the bayo lug is non-functional with an NR barrel anyhow. depending on the melange of parts between the guns, I might do some manufacturer swapping, undecided. These are all made to be interchangeable, so that's no harm. We'll see. Not sure what I'll do with the second one - likely keep it restricted.
The "after" photos:
Well transfer is done on second carbine and it’s being shipped. Serial number places it as an inland in the same production block as the first one, circa April 1944.
Too bad, I’d hoped for at least a different production block if not a different manufacturer, but we’ll see what arrives.
Too bad, I’d hoped for at least a different production block if not a different manufacturer, but we’ll see what arrives.
As-shipped pics later tonight.
Choate stock is in nice shape, though I plan to put wood back on the carbine. All parts look to be correct 1944 inland except the CM flip safety. I suspect this might not actually be a refurb, perhaps just an armorer safety upgrade. Less wear on parts than the wood stock gun I got from G4C.
Shipped with 2 mags, both 5 rounds, but one much shorter than the other, so one may be a 5/5 and the other a 5/10.
Only non-inland parts are an aftermarket choate cast band spring, as expected, and a standard products type 3 recoil plate fitted to the stock. Unmarked bayonet band, not sure if correct for a May or June 44 inch bland or not, so that might also be changed out.
Front sight was filed down, regrettably, so have a replacement on order.
Choate stock is in nice shape, though I plan to put wood back on the carbine. All parts look to be correct 1944 inland except the CM flip safety. I suspect this might not actually be a refurb, perhaps just an armorer safety upgrade. Less wear on parts than the wood stock gun I got from G4C.
Shipped with 2 mags, both 5 rounds, but one much shorter than the other, so one may be a 5/5 and the other a 5/10.
Only non-inland parts are an aftermarket choate cast band spring, as expected, and a standard products type 3 recoil plate fitted to the stock. Unmarked bayonet band, not sure if correct for a May or June 44 inch bland or not, so that might also be changed out.
Front sight was filed down, regrettably, so have a replacement on order.
