Israeli M1 carbines - making a silk purse of a sow's ear?

purple said:
A lot of people do their shooting at a range so an RPAL and ATT facilitate this. Long and far away before M1 Carbines became restricted I only used mine for casual plinking. They were too little for deer and didn't compare with .22LR costs for rabbits, etc.
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Oh I get it, I’m just not looking for things like that living where I live. I’m close to my range but I like shooting on crown land a lot more. It’s unfortunate that they don’t have a Nr barrel length.
 
Butcherbill said:
Oh I get it, I’m just not looking for things like that living where I live. I’m close to my range but I like shooting on crown land a lot more. It’s unfortunate that they don’t have a Nr barrel length.
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You can either buy one already made with an 18.5”+ barrel or have one installed. It’s an option.
 
Claven2 said:
It sounds like a refurb, which the very vast majority of M1 carbines are. Hope you like shooting it :)
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Yeah I love shooting it. It shot about 2.5" at 100 last time I had it out. Its light, low recoil. I grabbed a bunch of ammo from the Gun Dealer when it was about 15$ a box, some were reloads. It did not like the partition 110grn bullets.
 
purple said:
A lot of people do their shooting at a range so an RPAL and ATT facilitate this. Long and far away before M1 Carbines became restricted I only used mine for casual plinking. They were too little for deer and didn't compare with .22LR costs for rabbits, etc.
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I disagree and have proved it both times I used a Carbine on deer. One was a yearling WT at 80 yrds that went prob 30 yards after the shot ( thru & thru with 110 gr 1/2 jacket slug), the second was a full size mature Mule doe at slightly less than 100 yrds, 4 jumps and died with same slug as the first (also thru & thru).
 
Well I finished the first of the two carbines I bought. This one (go back to first post) is a post-war refurb that came in a well used M2 stock, and the receiver had the serial number re-stamped forward of the rear sight base when the flip sight was replaced with a stamped adjustable sight post war. The gun is in the serial range where it could have left the factory with either a flip sight or a milled rear adjustable sight.

I ended up installing a new Criterion non-restricted barrel and changed the rear stamped sight for a milled inland adjustable sight. I also changed the bayonet style front band for an original inland type 1 band I already had. The stock has been changed to a more or less correct low-wall oval cut WW2 stock and well matched 2 rivet handguard. This is actually an SG stock, so not "correct" as manufactured, but it's the right type of stock in decent shape and not over sanded.

I also changed the round IBM bolt that was in the gun for a late production inland flat bolt and headspaced the new barrel to this bolt.

The trigger housing that came on it was a type 2 Rock-ola with a mix of internal parts. I've swapped that out for an inland type 5 housing I had. I also installed an inland hammer. The trigger is still mis-matched (a Quality Hardware part), but I didn't have an inland one handy, so it will do. It also got a correct inland push button safety.

The type 5 slide had a badly worn guide tab, so I TIG welded it up and re-machined it back to original dimensions, so it now fits and functions perfect.

Considering the barrel swap and that this will never be collectible as an original, I can live with the few non-inland parts and I'm calling it done for now. Was debating re-parkerizing it, but unless I found a NOS M1 stock, I think it might look off with fresh metal and a worn piece of timber, so I think this is fine.

Probably more trouble and money than it was worth, but I think a good save from the ratty and worn Israeli surplus gun it started as. Of the two, this was definitely the higher mileage of my 2 rifles.

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M1 carbines are one of those surplus rifles where mismatched parts are normal.

Its actually weirder for an M1 carbine to be all matching than mismatched, since tons of companies made bits and bobs for M1 carbines and to fully utilize the parts interchangeability parts were frequently jumbled together to get the maximum volume of finished rifles rather than inland waiting for barrels they might get Saginaw barrels to start assembling.
 
chillyrabbit said:
M1 carbines are one of those surplus rifles where mismatched parts are normal.

Its actually weirder for an M1 carbine to be all matching than mismatched, since tons of companies made bits and bobs for M1 carbines and to fully utilize the parts interchangeability parts were frequently jumbled together to get the maximum volume of finished rifles rather than inland waiting for barrels they might get Saginaw barrels to start assembling.
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Which parts were shared in which serial range is actually well known and detailed in Larry Ruth’s book. Most carbines are mismatched from post war rebuilds.
 
One last side by side photo. The non-restricted (rebarelled and formerly in a choate folder) Inland is on top, now in GI trim, and the "correct" mid-44 Inland restricted rifle is on the bottom.

The rebarelled rifle has a rather good repro sling (I like the look, I have post-war originals I could use, but this one suits it), the other rigle has original GI sling.

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Would love to see pics of what others have done with their former Israeli carbines.
 
It always amazed me how the .30 M1 carbine was not considered a manstopper or suitable for deer sized game but the 30 Mauser/ Tokorev was a stopper with SP's or if bone struck with FMJ's. And the myth about frozen Chinese quilted coats stopping M1 bullets. In reality it stopped commies and facists.
 
I’m more amazed at how almost nobody in the milsurp forum seems to show any interest in the m1 carbine. It’s really Pretty odd to me. The auto ordnance repros seem to get more attention here for some inexplicable reason.
 
mbogo3 said:
It always amazed me how the .30 M1 carbine was not considered a manstopper or suitable for deer sized game but the 30 Mauser/ Tokorev was a stopper with SP's or if bone struck with FMJ's. And the myth about frozen Chinese quilted coats stopping M1 bullets. In reality it stopped commies and facists.
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In our native country of Laos, we had and still do have tonnes of carbines. We used it for bear to boar to banteng with no issues, all with fmj as there is no SP in that part of the world. Still crates and crates of ammo leftover from the war. Note all shots are within 50yrds in the jungle where we hunted.
 
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