It is illegal to hunt wild boar in Alberta

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Have you ever heard of the 1870's Buffalo hunt, that worked to perfection for its intended reason, to eradicate the food source for Natives. And now we hear about how the stopping of Grizzly hunting has skyrocketed the grizz pop in Ab, completely opposite of your position,your position claims that the bear pop should drop off to "0" shortly....so which rabbit hole are you sticking with????

i can tell you from extensive experience with controlling pests on the farm, gophers & migratory birds that quitting shooting them is a guarantee for failure to control the population on any given chunk of land ...private or crown...those critters dont know nor care about which they are on.

I think you are definitely on the right track. The government (mainly federal but other levels of well to a lessor extent) hates anyone who has any independence from the system. Reducing hunting opportunities not only means less people providing some of their own meat but also less gun owners in the future because hunting is often a family activity and the children of hunters often get into it themselves and then become gun owners.

Letting predators get out of control not only reduces game populations but also discourages people from even going camping or hiking in some areas.

In the US where wolves were re-introduced (they introduced Canadian timber wolves instead of the smaller native sub-species) they have decimated elk and deer and moose populations and reduced the hunting opportunities drastically, making elk tags much more expensive and hard to acquire.

This Wild boar situation seems to have the same MO. They don't want hunters having a year round hunting opportunity that means more hunters and more guns.

I get the arguments made that hunting isn't very effective but I'm not buying it. It is possible that two things can be true at once. It can be true that hunting isn't very effective but at the same time government programs can be equally or less effective. It's the government. They screw everything they touch up.

What this looks like to me is a great opportunity for government insiders to start some feral hog trapping operations and get overpaid to do something hunters are willing to do for free. They have no incentive to actually eradicate the hog population because then the easy government money also dries up.
 
It's literally been answered multiple times, you just keep ignoring the answer because you don't like it.
You said you were done? The answer isn't being ignored, it is most certainly being questioned because it blatantly contradicts itself.

You keep spewing that hunting doesn't work, yet one group is allowed to hunt while another isn't?

R.
 
Same reason landowners can shoot Cougars on their land. They can be a threat to their livelihood. didn't have to put much thought into that one...
This situation would be considerably different, especially given the info provided.
Hunting pigs is bad. It only leads to there being more pigs.
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Oh. Well then. Clearly you know better than the scientists studying this. It MUST have been hunting, even though the evidence shows it wasn't, because Dan saw some trees.
You really need to stop this foolishness.
Where did he say anything remotely resembling that he knew better than anyone? He made an observation based on what he saw firsthand.
Do better.

R.
 
You said you were done? The answer isn't being ignored, it is most certainly being questioned because it blatantly contradicts itself.

1) hunters and land owners have different priorities and incentives.

2) You refuse to acknowledge the impact of bad actors. They exist. Pretending like they don't so you can hunt doesn't change that.

It's only contradictory if you can't comprehend reality - which I fully realize is hard for a lot around here.

On top of that, contradictions in nature are common. Things that apply to the individual don't necessarily apply to the population level. Hunting pigs (and coyotes) are a perfect example of that.
 
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You really need to stop this foolishness.
Where did he say anything remotely resembling that he knew better than anyone? He made an observation based on what he saw firsthand.
Do better.

R.
He is arguing that it wasn't habitat destruction because they have forests now. If it wasn't habitat destruction, then he's saying he knows better than the scientists claiming it was.

The one who needs to do better here is you.
 
1) hunters and land owners have different priorities and incentives.

2) You refuse to acknowledge the impact of bad actors. They exist. Pretending like they don't so you can hunt doesn't change that.

It's only contradictory if you can't comprehend reality - which I fully realize is hard for a lot around here.
Just wow... You are so anti hunter you can't see past it... and it's ridiculous. Sure... let's do this. Maybe you'll even read it and see your own folly.

1) Different Priorities and incentives... What does this, exactly, have to do with invasive species control? Hunting doesn't work, right? Period? If hunting really doesn't work, then hunting should not be allowed by anyone... because it doesn't work.

Only folks that drive pickup trucks have to stop for red lights and stop signs,,, how will that work out?

2) In any society, when the actions of few dictate the actions of many bad policies become laws. You are clinging to this so badly, yet there is little no evidence of it, and even if there was, it doesn't matter because hunting doesn't work, remember?
Just like the current gun ban. It's supposed to reduce crime, but hasn't, because the wrong group has been targeted. This will be no different.

The reality is that your anti hunter spew doesn't add up, does it? No matter how bad you want it to.

The bottom line is still the same. If hunting doesn't work, then it doesn't work. It can't work for one group, but not the other. How do the studies, "science", and anti-hunter spew explain that? Because it hasn't yet, and can't, because it's a giant load of bullcrap.

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He is arguing that it wasn't habitat destruction because they have forests now. If it wasn't habitat destruction, then he's saying he knows better than the scientists claiming it was.

The one who needs to do better here is you.
He said he knew better than the scientists. Really? Show us where he said that?
The only one that said it, was you... not him.

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I am a hunter.

I just base my reality on evidence rather than feelings.
If that is the case, and it appears to be questionable, you sure seem to hold your fellow hunters in very very low regard.
Fortunately for us, your reality is just that... yours. It doesn't seem to apply anywhere else.
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There's tons of evidence. You just don't agree with it.
Tons of evidence where? In the USA? Which we are not? Where the public land ownership is so small? Where the population is 10 times that of Canada's?
Where it really can't apply because the data simply doesn't fit in any possible category?
Keep reaching...

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If that is the case, and it appears to be questionable, you sure seem to hold your fellow hunters in very very low regard.
Fortunately for us, your reality is just that... yours. It doesn't seem to apply anywhere else.
R.

I don't hold ALL fellow hunters in low regard. But I'm not so nieve to think there's NO bad actors out there.
 
Maybe we can set up this program for corrupt, tyrannical Liberals. ;)

They are definitely not native to Canada, not the dirty, filthy, lying ones anyway.:ROFLMAO:

Maybe we could report, trap, and eradicate same?:unsure:
 
Tons of evidence where? In the USA? Which we are not? Where the public land ownership is so small? Where the population is 10 times that of Canada's?
Where it really can't apply because the data simply doesn't fit in any possible category?
Keep reaching...

R.

Imagine thinking a bigger population and less public land would make hunting them HARDER...
 
Image how bad that would skew your supposed data?
Down to the point that it couldn't really be applied.
R.
How does population density and land ownership impact the likelihood that someone puts pigs in the back of their pickup to move them closer to home?

Please give a detailed explanation of the linkages.
 
I have to ask once again...how do Canadian winters affect feral hog reproduction? The states with large populations have mild winters, are we expecting similar populations up here? But I agree, one is too many.
Wild boar and feral hogs are a bit different, though there is interbreeding and overlap of populations in some areas, what we deal with in Saskatchewan for example is predominantly wild boar, a species adapted to living in Nordic countries and parts of Russia where they adapted to winter conditions similar to at least some parts of this country. Feral hogs, that is, escaped/released farm pigs may not have the same instincts/adaptations to survive our winters up here by themselves, so I'm not sure we would face the same issues with them specifically as we face with wild boars here.
 
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