IT TOOK 20 YEARS TO FIND OUT WHAT I HAD---FROM 1994 until 2014.

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I bought this P53 Enfield musket in January 1994 and found out in 2014 that it had Confederate markings.
The fellow that I bought it from had no idea about this.

In 2017 I found a collector in South Carolina who had the 1121 numbered ramrod that matched my 1121 numbered Enfield. The Confederates had a particular way of marking some of their arms including bayonets.

The fellow was ready to sell me the ramrod for $1,000 USD (($1,258 Cdn at that time) I decided not to purchase it.

Live and learn!















An example of a numbered bayonet. (Not mine)

 
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I would have told the guy to pound sand also. To anyone else that ram rod is worth F-all and would not add a whole lot of value to your gun IMO, CERTAINLY not $1000. If I had one of those guns, I would contact that guy looking for a ram rod and see what he wanted for it to just some guy with a Tower Musket looking for a rod to put on it. Would not think it would be worth more than $100 and if so I would buy it and send it to you. Your gun is worth a WHOLE lot more without a ram rod than his ram rod is worth without the gun.
 
I would have told the guy to pound sand also. To anyone else that ram rod is worth F-all and would not add a whole lot of value to your gun IMO, CERTAINLY not $1000. If I had one of those guns, I would contact that guy looking for a ram rod and see what he wanted for it to just some guy with a Tower Musket looking for a rod to put on it. Would not think it would be worth more than $100 and if so I would buy it and send it to you. Your gun is worth a WHOLE lot more without a ram rod than his ram rod is worth without the gun.

That’s a great idea….I would be delighted to find out that guy got stuffed for his ridiculous price and you snagged it for $100. That is a way solid gesture and a damned good plan.
 
I have one of the DA marked Mk. III Ross rifles.
Had it for a while, then two collectors told me about the matching serial number bayonet. Bayonet must have been sold separately back when Century had the rifles.
The bayonet's owner was in a hospice suffering with cancer. Shortly thereafter, he passed.
Sometime later, his widow was liquidating his collection.
She was told that there was a collector with the rifle that matched the bayonet.
I paid almost as much for the bayonet as I had for the rifle.

I would have been inclined to buy the ramrod. It is rare when an opportunity like this comes up.
 
The bayonet belongs to the same guy that owns the ramrod--in South Carolina.






I paid $850 Cdn for the Enfield in January 1994.

The price of the bayonet struck me as a BIT expensive!
 
Passing on something because of cost is for people who are hopeless optimists, and who believe they will live for a very, very long time. While the cost might sting at the time, the pain is eventually forgotten, and you might have a far more interesting/valuable collection piece in the process, one that brings high personal satisfaction for a search well played out.

There were a number of items I passed on in my earlier collecting years that I am really kicking myself over. I thought another would come along. Now I'm at an age that I know another won't, and that's that. I can't afford to keep collecting, but somehow I still manage to from time to time.

To put it another way, if you haven't consciously and willingly overpaid for a collection piece at some point, you aren't a real collector!
 
Pinfire---

Maybe in my next life I will be a real collector!
At 76 yrs of age I don't intend to start now!
I have overpaid for enough stuff in this life.

The guy with the ramrod wanted the right to buy my musket-----wait till he sees the price.

 
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The guy with the ramrod wanted the right to buy my musket-----wait till he sees the price.


If the numbers matching ram rod is worth $1000 then the numbers matching RIFLE for that ram rod must be worth at LEAST $10,000, even more when you consider than he has the numbers matching bayonet, $15,000 for the rife.........based on his math. Again, the rifle has value without the matching accessories, the accessories have little value without the rifle.
 
Licensed To Kill-----I like your sense of mathematics in this story!

The number's matching bayo is apparently for a totally different naval rifle.

Here is the musket with my bayonet on it. (fits perfectly1)



A .58 cal. cartridge.




B...noser,

I have no idea what my CS marked Enfield musket might be worth in Canada.
It is not for sale! (YET)
 
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Not saying this is the case above. But so many counterfeit civil war accessories were made at one time and some were so good the 'experts' got fooled... And yeah to that collector in N.C.; he can get stuffed with those prices!
 
Thanks drm3m
I was asking as a sanity check for myself since I currently have a CS P1853 Enfield for sale on the EE. It is challenging to assign a value North of the wire.
 
I have one of the DA marked Mk. III Ross rifles.
Had it for a while, then two collectors told me about the matching serial number bayonet. Bayonet must have been sold separately back when Century had the rifles.
The bayonet's owner was in a hospice suffering with cancer. Shortly thereafter, he passed.
Sometime later, his widow was liquidating his collection.
She was told that there was a collector with the rifle that matched the bayonet.
I paid almost as much for the bayonet as I had for the rifle.

I would have been inclined to buy the ramrod. It is rare when an opportunity like this comes up.

tiriaq ... Ditto , I continually ''Over Pay for what I like & want .

I don't want much.. compared to the Gen. X , Y , Millenials or what have you.

... skwerl
 

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An email that I received back in 2018.

C.S. purchased Enfields----The Georgia Contract. Reference to #1121 and the Fingal.

Being a Confederate Enfield collector from Georgia I can tell you that I am GREEN with envy. What you have was once a 2-band fusil that was part of the second Sinclair Hamilton Confederate government contract and especially made for the state of Georgia, thus the letter "G" stamped in the stock. Most of the approximate 5500 Enfields purchased by Georgia were the 3-band P-53 models, but about 800 were the 2-band fusils marked either TOWER, Parker Field & Sons, and CARR. The fusil is similar to the 2-band P-56 except the wood extends to within about 3 1/2" of the muzzle and it takes a socket bayonet rather than a saber bayonet. Below is some detailed info about the Georgia contract:

In 1861, Major Edward C Anderson was sent to England to act as a Confederate central government purchasing agent of small arms and munitions. As Anderson was a Georgian, Georgia Governor Joseph E Brown relied upon Anderson to work as a purchasing agent for that state as well. During September of 1861 Anderson arranged the purchase of 5,500 “Enfield” pattern small arms through the firm of Sinclair, Hamilton & Company. Of these guns, 4,700 were P-1853 “long” Enfields, and 800 were P-1856 “short” Enfields, which were apparently Sergeant’s Fusils for India Service rifles. Anderson returned to the Confederacy aboard the Confederate Blockade Runner Fingal on October 8, 1861. In addition to Anderson, the Fingal brought the first 1,100 guns of his purchase for the state of Georgia, as well as 1,000 that had been purchased by Louisiana and 7,520 that had been purchased by the Confederate central government. Among these guns that were on Fingal were the Georgia purchased “long” Enfield’s with the engraved numbers 1-1000. These guns were shipped in crates of 20, complete with socket bayonets for each gun, a bullet mold and two nipple keys (cone wrenches). Based upon an analysis of the Gladiatorcargo manifest it is probable that Fingal also carried the Georgia purchased “long” Enfield’s numbered 1121-1220. The crates that contained these Georgia purchased arms were marked with the initials (for Governor Joseph E Brown) in a rhomboid over the letter G and were numbered. To date only 6 of the Fingal delivered “Georgia G”marked guns are known to have survived. The Fingal arrived in Savannah, GA on November 13, 1861, after a brief stop in Bermuda. The next shipment of Georgia purchased arms left England on the Blockade Runner Gladiator on November 6, 1861. The bill of lading for the Gladiator is in the archives of the Museum of the Confederacy, and it lists 900 “long” and 580 “short” Enfields. The long Enfields were numbers 1001-1120 (cases 51-56), 1221-1300 (cases 62-65), 1301-1960 (cases 78-110), 1961-1980 (case 123) and 1981-2000 (case129). The other cases (66-77, 111-122, and 124-128) contained the “short” Enfield Sergeant’s Fusils for India Service, numbers 1-580. These guns were all marked with the JS / (ANCHOR) inspection mark in the wood behind the triggerguard tang, in the belly of the stock, and have engraved Confederate inventory numbers on the tang of their brass buttplates. The guns are additionally marked with a 5/8” tall capital letter G on the obverse buttstock. The Gladiator arrived in Nassau, Bahamas on December 9, 1861. There she was unloaded and her cargo was transshipped to the Confederacy via the smaller, faster Blockade Runners Cecile, Kate and Florida. The Kate delivered her cargo to Smyrna in early February of 1862, Florida made her delivery to the same destination in mid March, and Cecile delivered her cargo into Charleston in mid-February 1862. To date, only 16 of the 900 Georgia marked “Gladiator Enfields” are known to have survived. The balance of the Georgia purchased arms were shipped aboard the Blockade Runners Bermuda (1,000 arms) and Economist (the final 1,920 arms). Economist made its delivery into Charleston Harbor in mid March 1862.
Based upon examination of the limited number of Georgia “G” marked P-1853 Enfield rifle muskets known to exist, it has been determined that the guns numbered 1-2000 and 3700-4700 were guns marked in the above manner. However, it appears that approximately 1700 guns (likely the guns numbered between 2000-3700) were delivered by the London gunmaker Barnett, and these guns have their numbers stamped on the toe of the buttplate, rather than being engraved on the buttplate tang. These guns also bear a G mark on the obverse buttstock (but of a slightly larger size), and are marked with the CH / 1 inspection stamp in the wood, in front of the buttplate tang, instead of a JS/(ANCHOR). To date less than 50 “G” marked P-1853 Enfields of all types are known to have survived, with less than 30 of the engraved number guns being known and less than 20 of the Barnett guns with stamped numbers being known. This observation is based upon some 25 years of surveying extant examples by several noted arms historians, who have maintaining a very extensive and detailed database of Confederate imported Enfields with engraved numbers.
 
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