It's here: NEA-15 unboxing photos

Yeah, I am going to guess this is a matter of "rushed assembly as NEA races to get guns out the door to satisfy demand".

Not a huge deal from a technical perspective; mildly unnerving for people who aren't sure what to expect, though. If the rails can simply be loosened off and re-torqued and the problem goes away, then there isn't an issue with the rail system itself.

Most companies rolling out a new product will encounter this sort of hiccup as they get everything dialed in. The pressure to get rifles out the door is probably enormous and time constraints probably fairly intense.

It doesn't change my expectations of the NEA rifles...I think they will be solid performers and my intention is to buy a minimum of 1-2 of them.
 
Disregard my last, I looked at the pics again and it looks evenly screwed in on both sides. At first look I thought only one side was bent.
 
it will always look cockeyed. you guys understand leverage and the fact its a rectangular slot not a triangular one?

its fine...nothing wrong or going to break.

jeeze
 
This is exactly why I commented in the NEA thread that they should v-notch it if possible rather than straight cut...just so people don't see it and complain.

I think they will spend more time telling people it's fine and not to worry about it than they would spend cutting it in a triangle in the first place.

But that is just my take on it. I am not a machinist and do not know what would be involved in v-notching the thing.
 
V-notching would be extremely expensive as the only way I can think to get a nice V-notch in there would be EDM.

You don't add $300 to each rifle just to solve a problem only the mouth breathers on the internet can see.
 
This is why I point out that I am not a machinist when I make suggestions...I see. Well, if that's the case then obviously yeah, that's not particularly feasible.

Maybe they could instead laser-etch the words "it's ####ing supposed to look like this, stop calling us and posting about it on CGN" right below the cut?
 
I think the main problem with the cut is that it is too wide, making it appear that the bending is overly severe....

like seriously do they need such a big cut and did they make the handguard/connection point so over sized that the handguard has to be pinched over what appears to be 2mm.... would half that size of slot not done the job and would appear much less severe.
 
Armedsask said:
V-notching would be extremely expensive as the only way I can think to get a nice V-notch in there would be EDM.

You don't add $300 to each rifle just to solve a problem only the mouth breathers on the internet can see.
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Wow....reading your overtly defensive posts regarding a product you don't own....( all of them as matter of fact) leads me to wonder if you are getting paid or blown by someone....which one?

I mean, insulting paying customers who question a product that costs over a grand? Really? I've seen mindless fanboys before, but you are running for first place.

PS: Don't you think you should actually...I dunno...*own* one before you start telling those that actually *do* how wrong they are?
 
I know that the NEA is 100 times the gun for only a few more bucks than the Norinco, but honestly I like the look of the Norinco a little better... I am crazy?
 
TinkerBell said:
I think the main problem with the cut is that it is too wide, making it appear that the bending is overly severe....

like seriously do they need such a big cut and did they make the handguard/connection point so over sized that the handguard has to be pinched over what appears to be 2mm.... would half that size of slot not done the job and would appear much less severe.
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Depends...how much space is between the rails at the clamping end?

If there is 2.5mm at the clamp, then the cut could be narrower.

If there is 0.5mm at the clamp, then the cut is exactly the right size.

I'm going to go ahead and guess they have calculated the necessary width, and cut it that size.

I will further guess that ArmedSask is being neither paid nor blown, but that as a machinist himself he simply has no empathy for people who do not understand the reasoning behind building the gun in the way NEA have built it.

I can empathize with not understanding the machining processes, myself, because I am fairly ignorant of those. But I can't particularly empathize with the people whose primary concerns are things like "it looks kind of grey" or "I heard you used springs made outside of Canada".

This is the best deal on the Canadian AR market, EVER. The pricing is so aggressive it has shifted the entire Canadian AR marketplace. Nobody has ever offered something quite like this: an AR with a free-float rail, a polygonal barrel, quality components, and made in Canada for a thousand bucks. That is insane! It is driving down AR prices across the country. Most people do not seem to realize what NEA has done for the AR buyer...even the non-NEA buyer!

And yet still, what do NEA get? People who think the finish should be darker, based on a picture they saw taken with a flash on an unknown camera at an unknown shutter speed with an unknown white balance and an unknown ISO.

People who want a maple leaf on the lower instead of a griffin.

People who want a freefloat rail that attaches without screws...?

You don't have to work for NEA to have one eyebrow stuck in pretty much permanent arch mode at what they have to listen to!
 
misanthropist said:
Depends...how much space is between the rails at the clamping end?

If there is 2.5mm at the clamp, then the cut could be narrower.

If there is 0.5mm at the clamp, then the cut is exactly the right size.

I'm going to go ahead and guess they have calculated the necessary width, and cut it that size.

I will further guess that ArmedSask is being neither paid nor blown, but that as a machinist himself he simply has no empathy for people who do not understand the reasoning behind building the gun in the way NEA have built it.

I can empathize with not understanding the machining processes, myself, because I am fairly ignorant of those. But I can't particularly empathize with the people whose primary concerns are things like "it looks kind of grey" or "I heard you used springs made outside of Canada".

This is the best deal on the Canadian AR market, EVER. The pricing is so aggressive it has shifted the entire Canadian AR marketplace. Nobody has ever offered something quite like this: an AR with a free-float rail, a polygonal barrel, quality components, and made in Canada for a thousand bucks. That is insane! It is driving down AR prices across the country. Most people do not seem to realize what NEA has done for the AR buyer...even the non-NEA buyer!

And yet still, what do NEA get? People who think the finish should be darker, based on a picture they saw taken with a flash on an unknown camera at an unknown shutter speed with an unknown white balance and an unknown ISO.

People who want a maple leaf on the lower instead of a griffin.

People who want a freefloat rail that attaches without screws...?

You don't have to work for NEA to have one eyebrow stuck in pretty much permanent arch mode at what they have to listen to!
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I agree with what you wrote about the rifle......but about Kyle?
I don't buy it. He jumps on an NEA thread like Reggie on a cop thread...and with the same "can do no wrong, #### you" attitude. At least it's common knowledge that Reggie has a vested interest......

I made a simple comment that I would *prefer* to have a layer of plastic between my hand and the metal, and he called me a douche.....wtf has that got to do with machining? Does someones preference of a MIAD grip over an Ergo make it ok to call him an ####### too?

We're a bunch of douchebags and mouthbreathers, got it. All bow to the machinist of record and don't dare question. Got it. (oh wait...IIRC that kinda failed....maybe not the best opinion to seek out after all)

#### me....
 
Some people here seem to have a hard-on to put NEA down and others may be giving NEA a generous benefit of the doubt. I count myself among those who are willing to cut NEA some slack because a) they are CANADIAN! b) this is a new launch and c) the price is right.
 
Wrong Way said:
I agree with what you wrote about the rifle......but about Kyle?
I don't buy it. He jumps on an NEA thread like Reggie on a cop thread...and with the same "can do no wrong, f**k you" attitude. At least it's common knowledge that Reggie has a vested interest......

I made a simple comment that I would *prefer* to have a layer of plastic between my hand and the metal, and he called me a douche.....wtf has that got to do with machining? Does someones preference of a MIAD grip over an Ergo make it ok to call him an a**hole too?

We're a bunch of douchebags and mouthbreathers, got it. All bow to the machinist of record and don't dare question. Got it. (oh wait...IIRC that kinda failed....maybe not the best opinion to seek out after all)

f**k me....
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I assume by "Kyle" you mean Armedsask, whose name is not Kyle as far as I know - unless his middle name is Kyle, which I have never asked, I guess.

I recall a sigline he had at one time which was approximately as follows: 99% of people on CGN have no idea what they are talking about. That is why I come off as an ####### in 99% of my posts.

My belief is that Armedsask is simply fed up with reading the thoughts and concerns of the gun owning, non-shooting public.

I do not know of any connection between him and NEA. They are in different parts of the country and any arrangement they have would be news to me. It has definitely not come up in any conversation I have had with anyone from NEA, or with Armedsask, although that is not in itself proof of anything and while I have had conversations with both parties they have not been so extensive that that connection would necessarily come up.

If you are concerned about a surreptitious relationship between them, I would ask either party directly, unless you believe they would lie openly about their involvement. That is quite an accusation to make publicly, though, although I take it that is what you are implying.
 
misanthropist said:
My belief is that Armedsask is simply fed up with reading the thoughts and concerns of the gun owning, non-shooting public.
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A: Let's change that to more accurately reflect the *actual* situation:
My belief is that Armedsask is simply fed up with reading the thoughts and concerns of the gun owning,gun-BUYING public.
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Awwww....my heart bleeds...really, it does.

The people asking the questions are customers. To imply that customers have no right to question before writing a cheque for $1,200.00 + is laughable at best.

B: Not his product, not his place to say nor to get upset. Fed up? Don't like people questioning someone ELSES product? Too f**kin bad. If I have a question, or an opinion on any product/service/feature, who the f**k is he (or anyone else) to get all mouthy about it.

As far as I can see, the concerns raised are valid. The opinions expressed are valid (both positive AND negative). People....correction: NEA's customers don't need some wannabe know-it-all forcing his "opinion" of them down their throat for asking a simple question.

If it was one of my proiducts? I'd be telling people like that "While I appreciate your tenacity in defending every little thing about my product, please #### off...by calling people douches and mouth breathers you *really* arent doing us any favours"

My .02, but someone really needs to STFU and let the guys that MAKE and SELL the product handle the concerns.
 
I would tend to argue that it is more accurate to say that what he is fed up with is, in fact, people who own guns but do not shoot very much. I do not want to speak for anyone but I do not think that his concern is with people buying anything in particular.

I definitely agree that anyone has the right to voice whatever concern they like.

Similarly I would say that Armedsask is well within his rights to comment if he believes the concerns expressed are meaningless or stupid. Many of the concerns that I have seen, not necessarily of NEA but of all sorts of guns, have been stupid, and clearly grounded in the beliefs of people who do not shoot much.

And while I don't generally comment if I think someone's concerns are stupid, others are welcome to do so. Particularly if they have the professional expertise to explain why...that can be very useful commentary for other readers.
 
misanthropist said:
I would tend to argue that it is more accurate to say that what he is fed up with is, in fact, people who own guns but do not shoot very much. I do not want to speak for anyone but I do not think that his concern is with people buying anything in particular.

I definitely agree that anyone has the right to voice whatever concern they like.

Similarly I would say that Armedsask is well within his rights to comment if he believes the concerns expressed are meaningless or stupid. Many of the concerns that I have seen, not necessarily of NEA but of all sorts of guns, have been stupid, and clearly grounded in the beliefs of people who do not shoot much.

And while I don't generally comment if I think someone's concerns are stupid, others are welcome to do so. Particularly if they have the professional expertise to explain why...that can be very useful commentary for other readers.
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The most simple way I can put it.

Everyone here are talking about the rifle.
He is talking about the people talking about the rifle.

A is fine, B is being a ####.
 
I don't know about the rest of you guys but I would consider it an honor if an CGN legend like Armedsask called me a douche. Westicle PM'd me once, I had a swelled head for a week.:D
 
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