JR Cox comments on the Swiss Arms situation

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sillymike said:
Agree.

I think it's fair to say that we've all screwed-up at some point in time in our lives (some screw-up are bigger than others, but hey, sh!t happens). And JR is man enough to deal with it. Good for him.
(Probably won't buy from him for quite some time, but that's another story)

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Personally, while I could have done without the excitement and headaches of this situation. I think it as the potential to be beneficial for us.
- It draws attention to a firearm classification system that doesn't make any sense.
- It draws attention to a bureaucracy that serves no meaningful purposes.
- It gives me a pretty darn good excuse to go pay a visit to my MP...

Heck, maybe the various Swiss shooting clubs across Canada will be able to use their PE90!
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I think you're dreaming in colour.
There is very little coverage of this issue in the media and what there is is lukewarm at best. Some of the commentary questions why politicians are interfering in police matters.
I think this was going to blow anyhow, however we didn't need one our own to go out of his way to hand this over to the RCMP on a silver platter.
 
I agree. $3600. Grrr. What's next, my other rifles?

When JR puts X dollars in an escrow account, putting is money where his mouth is, I would likely be swayed. Until this point all I see is a business man, likely very smart business man, trying to protect his business. Let's be real. It's business. He's a business man.





DANCESWITHEMPTIES said:
Thank You for the breath of reality. His profit was made, owners of these rifles stand to loose a fair dollar, that was taxed too boot. Again, I realize he is only partial at fault. But to buy another product from the hand that bit you...
A video apology with no reference of any compensation to any of his customers of these rifles if lost, is pretty hollow to me.
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aqsw said:
I'm pretty sure the only ones saying "great job Jr" are the ones that don't own the said firearm. If you did buy this firearm from him, I know you are not stating that now.
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aqsw said:
Somebody gets it!
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Mr. Spectacular said:
Sorry, but you basically said nothing.

I'm not sure where all of this praise is coming from, but IMO, you don't really deserve it.

I give you credit for formulating some kind of response, but it was, at best, a non-reponse reponse.
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89crxtech said:
Thank you for this JR, it does not correct what happened but it does make steps in a better direction.

Is there any way the documents that were provided to the RCMP showing lineage of the Swiss Arms rifles in question can be released to the public?
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TSE JR said:
To all,

The documents I have cannot be posted publicly as I promised the interested parties I would not, but after I get back from IWA, I am glad to show people on a one-on-one basis.

If anyone disbelieves the actual existence, I am sure a couple of independents on here will chime in to confirm them.

Also, there is a ton of background activity going on that I am personally involved in that may change the entire course of things. Again, I am involved because I can keep confidences, keep a level head and don't publish everything to the internet willy-nilly.

Remember, the RCMP embarrassed and lied to the government. Nothing good comes from those types of activities.

Sincerely,

JR
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CdnCombatMedic said:
This does not change anything for me...
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lanis said:
JR,

Great of you that you apologized.
That has absolutely nothing to do with your desire to avoid Canada wide boycott, and ensure that your firearms business does not go bankrupt.

I am sure that it has come straight from your heart, and not from your very capable lawyer that took few days to create this slick video response.

We are all so happy that you apologized, and do not mind in the least that we are losing thousands of dollars of our hard earned money.

There is not a doubt in my mind that you will reimburse all aggrieved gun owners for their monetary loses, you being outstanding member of Canada's gun owner community.

There is one question posed by another poster here, that has not been answered yet.

Could you find it in your very understanding and generous nature, to tell us what is next firearm you are planning to report to RCMP as too evil for us to own?

You definitely can't stop now, if you like to keep in good books with government as an outstanding corporate citizen.

We will get little annoyed at first, but if you keep your slick lawyer, I am sure you can churn another touching video attesting to your unquestionable integrity.

Keep up the good work!
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napalmz86 said:
I forgive the man, but not his actions.
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CraigNConnor said:
Yup I for one live in Calgary and am done with the shooting edge I will never step foot in that store again, and not just because of this event I've had multiple run ins with staff who pretend they know what they are talking about when they have no clue I end up purchasing a product on behalf on the knowledge given from staff and when I get home my parts don't fit.
Twice this has happened. I mean if You don't know the answers to somethings don't make sh!t up and give people false information.
And than get this I go to return the item and they say no returns no refunds it's are policy. Well I have a policy too sh!tty service = loss of business.
And now this to top everything off
Yes my attitude towards them is crappy but I feel I have been wronged on more than 1 occasion.
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stevelarry said:
Damage control time! Bad for business, you know!
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Norincodude said:
Yeah, I don't get this Kumbaya-fest for JR. He fvcked up, he's owning up but that doesn't make him a hero or role model. As someone earlier pointed out, he's a useful idiot and if I were a SAN owner I would seriously be looking at civil action against him.

Having said that this is a much bigger fight and it was regrettable that he gave the gun grabbers a "freebie". The RCMP are going full court press against us and we need to focus. So drop the love-fest for JR or suspend your anger for now. Let's get to the battle at hand.
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periculumnexnecis said:
I will never, ever buy anything from them again...
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norcofanatic said:
JR is trying to save face. This guy pulled a stupid and immature move in an attempt to take business away from The Shooting Centre. JR doesn't give two ####s about gun owners, he cares about his money and is prideful.

The very people that helped him get the Swiss arms into Canada back in 2001, are the same who helped The Shooting Centre develop their .308 Swiss arms variant. JR buying one and sending it to the RCMP and convincing them it's a prohib, didn't get him one up on the Shooting Centre, but bit him in the ass.

Like he cares, he has his prohib license.

His selfishness and pride just made the gun community take a huge hit at out expense.
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red magnum said:
I personally decided to never support him after the BS he pulled with the Red Deer Shooting centre and domain names. Now I go out of my way to let people know to avoid the place.
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skinnadoor said:
You have done nothing but hurt our community.
I hope your business fails.
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earz said:
i will never spend a penny there again. No DTA for me :(
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SQUAREHEAD1 said:
I would totally, completely respect this man if he'd put this video out many many months ago when this great idea of his came to fruition… but Now? ... just covering his butt and his $$. Like I said before, it was the only card he had left to play. I do not own a Swiss arms rifle however I wonder how many people, singing his praises, own a swiss arms rifle… I bet very, very few! Pathetic.
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I would like someone with credibility who isn't associate with JR and TSE confirm his claims that he's so deeply involved in these super secret discussions about finding a solution to his world class fawk up.
 
sillymike said:
Agree.

I think it's fair to say that we've all screwed-up at some point in time in our lives (some screw-up are bigger than others, but hey, sh!t happens). And JR is man enough to deal with it. Good for him.
(Probably won't buy from him for quite some time, but that's another story)

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Personally, while I could have done without the excitement and headaches of this situation. I think it as the potential to be beneficial for us.
- It draws attention to a firearm classification system that doesn't make any sense.
- It draws attention to a bureaucracy that serves no meaningful purposes.
- It gives me a pretty darn good excuse to go pay a visit to my MP...

Heck, maybe the various Swiss shooting clubs across Canada will be able to use their PE90!
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Yikes… Wow… The only reason why he's 'dealing' with this, as you call it, is because this went down otherwise he would never be dealing with anything, my goodness, wake up.
 
Yikes...Wow... You must be a mind reader. How great that must be to have those powers knowing exactly why JR is doing what he is doing. Tell me what am I thinking right now...
 
shot-in-the-dark said:
Yikes...Wow... You must be a mind reader. How great that must be to have those powers knowing exactly why JR is doing what he is doing. Tell me what am I thinking right now...
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It's not rare to be able to know what somebody is thinking based on their actions.

If I start making a burger, chances are that I'm hungry.

If I report a former business partner for going 51kph in a 50 zone, I'm either an idiot or an ahole, and probably both.
 
Who shot JR??

Looks like a self inflicted wound to me.

Our wrath should be directed towards the RCMP, a bureacracy out of control
 
i6s1 said:
It's not rare to be able to know what somebody is thinking based on their actions.

If I start making a burger, chances are that I'm hungry.

If I report a former business partner for going 51kph in a 50 zone, I'm either an idiot or an ahole, and probably both.
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Exactly
 
Yes, it was (and still is) a very stupid move by JR...

what's even worst (or funny, if you have a sick and twisted s3nce of humour), is that this whole situation could have been avoided if our f#ck!ng gun laws made sense.

Seriously, what difference does it make if a semi-automatic rifle is engraved with 550, PE90, Classic Green or whatever else you fancy?
if a police force is willing to confiscate private property over such petty detail... imagine what else they'll do to enforce their agenda (whatever that might be)
 
mildcustom2 said:
I would like someone with credibility who isn't associate with JR and TSE confirm his claims that he's so deeply involved in these super secret discussions about finding a solution to his world class fawk up.
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They are trying to work a secret deal with Swiss Arms, to bring a few thousands 'legal' rifles to Canada.
If all goes as planned, pricing should be similar to the Dominion Arms DA 556...
Rumor has it that there's strength in numbers, so they will be serialized FK-C68-00001 to FK-C68-10000

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sillymike said:
Yes, it was (and still is) a very stupid move by JR...

what's even worst (or funny, if you have a sick and twisted s3nce of humour), is that this whole situation could have been avoided if our f#ck!ng gun laws made sense.

Seriously, what difference does it make if a semi-automatic rifle is engraved with 550, PE90, Classic Green or whatever else you fancy?
if a police force is willing to confiscate private property over such petty detail... imagine what else they'll do to enforce their agenda (whatever that might be)
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Agreed… Blaming the gun laws in this case is absolutely freaking stupid… The gun laws didn't change, until Mr. Cox came along, he started this, not the RCMP!!
 
We need to think about how we got here. Mr Cox questioned a CSC rifle and still claims to this day it is a prohib and his were not.

If it was this simple and his posts are 100% true why are all SA rifles being prohibited and confiscated?

If MR Cox's side of the story is true, CSC would be under RCMP investigation and only the rifles sold by them would be sought after by the RCMP, Not the entire production line of Swiss Arms and every rifle ever imported since day 1.

The SG540 is after all a NR and both the PE 90 and the SG550 are "variants" of that parent rifle. To call one child a "variance" of the other child and not to consider the "variance" to it's parent is not the way the law was intended to be used. If it is a "variance" of one rifle in the family it is a "variant" of them all unless it is the parent to the whole production line (in this case the 540).
 
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Brian46 said:
We need to think about how we got here. Mr Cox questioned a CSC rifle and still claims to this day it is a prohib and his were not.

If it was this simple and his posts are 100% true why are all SA rifles being prohibited and confiscated?

If MR Cox's side of the story is true, CSC would be under RCMP investigation and only the rifles sold by them would be sought after by the RCMP, Not the entire production line of Swiss Arms and every rifle ever imported since day 1.

The SG540 is after all a NR and both the PE 90 and the SG550 are "variants" of that parent rifle. To call one child a "variance" of the other child and not to consider the "variance" to it's parent is not the way the law was intended to be used. If it is a "variance" of one rifle in the family it is a "variant" of them all unless it is the parent to the whole production line (in this case the 540).
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Starts on page 2 if this thread. What KevinB said. Found it.

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...25-For-those-guys-who-blame-TSE?highlight=TSE
 
If it can be proven that JR fudged the original paperwork because the rifle was never examined and classed non restricted based on paperwork he submitted originally. He could be looking at possible jail time.
 
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