Just when you thought the new gun bill was our greatest threat.......

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Yes and price of other "alternatives" listed copper or copper-zinc alloy, steel, tungsten or bismuth

Steel $0.43/lb
Tungsten $31.40/lb
Bismuth $12.40/lb

The alternatives are much more expensive raw materials, switching over production to them on a larger scale will not decrease pricing on them by much. In fact it could increase demand for the material increasing pricing further due to supply limitations. Steel is cheaper but you can't make an all steel bullet.

Yes. I have some Barnes MRX bullets that are mostly gilded metal with tungsten bases. The sticker price for 20 .308 bullets was cough, cough $35... six years ago. No wonder they discontinued them. You can buy 100 good jacketed lead bullets for that, well at least until the bandwagon enviro-airheads (who likely don't shoot much) sell us out.
 
I don't think its a terrible idea to use non lead projectiles.

I don't think it is a terrible idea for you to buy non lead projectiles if you want them. I think it is a terrible idea for you not to oppose this nanny-state interference from a bunch of bureaucrats looking for something to justify their sinecures.
 
I can see it for shotguns, adding upland game birds hunting as a non toxic shot requirement, but a big game animal is usually taken with a single bullet, so why mess with the status quo for rifle ammunition?
 
Sounds like they have no real data to support it when they use phrases like "could contaminate" bla bla I just sent them an email asking them how they came to these conclusions and told them we dont have a lead problem and to stop spreading lies.
 
Though I haven't read every comment in this thread. I haven't seen anyone mention a sport that uses cast lead pretty exclusively. There are a lot of western action shooters and re-creationists using solid lead cast bullets in rifled barrels. Then there is the antique crowd and those who make modern reproductions of historical firearms and that repair the old ones. In aggregate they use a lot of ammo as well and many of those style of guns would become complete safe queens. And yes they are used a lot and even hunted with. I engrave those so I am very familiar with that community.
 
I'm definitly against banning anything, I'd help clean up ranges if it came down to it.




I don't think it is a terrible idea for you to buy non lead projectiles if you want them. I think it is a terrible idea for you not to oppose this nanny-state interference from a bunch of bureaucrats looking for something to justify their sinecures.
 
Can you link to the text of this bill? I can only find things pertaining to it granting the government more funding.

That was a joke. There is no such bill.

I'm definitly against banning anything, I'd help clean up ranges if it came down to it.

That is basically what all this will come to. Gun ranges having to clean up lead, or use an environmentally sustainable alternative. I am also against a lead ban, and if the gun community wants to avoid one we need to get on board with properly managing our waste
 
First,they banned lead shot for waterfowl. Now,there's a concerted effort to ban lead sinkers and lures for fishing. Why are we surprised there's rumblings to ban all forms of lead ammo for rifles and big game hunting? It's the natural progression of the nanny staters.

Banning things is a simple minded solution for simple minded people. But that is not to suggest that we aren't polluting our food supply, and that we should't do something about it.
 
Amusing. Yet the production of lead acid batteries continues to thrive. So by association, all automotive shops, wreckers, car lots, car manufacturers, retailers (looking at YOU Costco), are all implicit in the attack on children's development.
Yet, lets ramp up the imports on highly processed foods and contaminants from China. *sigh*
 
Pollution from other sources like that probably far out weight the shooting sport, I'd like to see a side by side comparison of numbers.



Amusing. Yet the production of lead acid batteries continues to thrive. So by association, all automotive shops, wreckers, car lots, car manufacturers, retailers (looking at YOU Costco), are all implicit in the attack on children's development.
Yet, lets ramp up the imports on highly processed foods and contaminants from China. *sigh*
 
Let me do some math out loud:

They think approximately 2 million people hunt or use guns in a year in Canada, and 5100 tonnes is 11,243,600 pounds:

Works out to an average of 5.6218 pounds of lead (not copper lead and or brass, just lead) per person per year, I certainly don't shoot close to that.

I know there are a few who put a lot of lead downrange as active shooters, but I think it's pretty safe to call that statistic skewed, unless I've missed something with that math, if so please let me know.

I shoot trap competitively: Just move that decimal place two spots to the right, and it might approximate how much I shoot each year. That doesn't include the heavy 500gr BPCR bullets I also cast.
As soon as lead is banned, half or more of the different sport shooting disciplines will wither and die.
 
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buy surplus steel core. problem solve.

Steel core still contains lead, plus steel core is banned at most ranges. Why ban guns when you can ban the sale of ammunition?

Same as with C-71. Why confiscate guns when you can force people to register them, prohibit their use, and ensure their destruction when the owner dies? The liberals are playing the long game here, this is a big deal.
 
I wonder how that would affect reloaders... if you made your own ammo... they can't regulate it really... theres no laws on projectiles yet. clubs could all out ban lead tho....
 
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