K98 Sniper Clone, Looking for build advice!

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I have a Czech capture K98 that I am looking to turn into a WW2 sniper clone as close as I can within reason to an authentic German issued sniper rifle. I was looking at ebay and came across this: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/WW2-GERMAN-ZF39-CARL-ZEISS-JENA-Sniper-Scope-Mauser-K98-Wehrmacht-98k-/141456702229?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20ef79fb15

Was wondering if the CGN community could help out with some thoughts/advice on the above and about building a sniper clone for the K98 in general.

Thanks!
 
Personally I would look for a sporter or bubba'd K98 to build a clone with.

But it's your rifle.

First off the reproduction ZF39 scope offered by that seller is incorrect for the LSR. The Zeiss Zielvier scopes are primarily used with low turret mounts.

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Many scopes mounted with the LSR will have a recoil ring welded to the scope tube.

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Makes of correct LSR scopes are Opticotechnica (Meopta), Joseph Schneider, and Hensoldt. Sometimes Ajack scopes were seen.


No one currently makes a reproduction scope for the LSR.
 
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I've worked on a few of LSR Sniper Clones, and I have handled several other LSR Sniper Clones that I haven't built. I am also working on restoring a bcd4 LSR Sniper (original barrel/receiver and scope).

If building one, I'd try to find an RC bcd4 or CE rifle. bcd's are much more common and shouldn't be too hard to find.

The mount your looking at on ebay are the ring style mount (early mount) - they then added the rings to the original scopes as the scopes would slide with recoil - eventually they went to a banded mount (as pictured in the reply above - there are both wide and narrow band variants).

If looking for an original scope - DOW scopes are the most costly, bek scopes are are somewhat common and can be found at more reasonable prices. There was also the AJACK as mentioned and some Zeilsechs scopes.

What I hate about these reproduction mounts are some are excellent and some are sh_t!!!

I purchased a set from the Ukraine (about 6+ years ago) and the scope was repro but was marked Zeiss Jena and the upper and lower mount even had the correct waffen amt applied.

I hope the seller is being honest and the mount is actually from the Ukraine - then you should be getting a decent product.

The reproduction scope as previously mentioned is not correct but looks the part. Shotgun News had an article about 7 years ago as a company was making reproduction LSR's with these repro mounts and scopes - some were imported into Canada and sold for 2K. The problem is no one I have seen makes a good LSR Banded mount period!!! I've bought three and all were horrible and originals cost $2-3K just for the mounts. But as I stated - some Ukraine fixed ring mounts are very good. The Chinese mounts - not so much.

Many of these repro scopes will not stand up to the recoil of the 8mm mauser. If you want it to look good - purchase an original scope. If you want to shoot it - get a WWII period scope or early post war scope.

Another option is Corwin arms has a great SSR scope mount (about $150). This mount was made in Eastern Europe. I had a friend who had an original CE SSR with missing top mount - he purchased the Corwin mount and used the upper - it slide right on - with no fitting and once aged looks the part and was an excellent find for finishing his rebuild.

For $150 - you would have alot of cash left over for a real period scope (better quality). Correct rifle for an SSR would be a CE42 - scope would be an AJACK or Zeiss Zeilvier would work

If you do stick with the LSR project get your cross hatched butt plate and safety here:

https://waffenmeisters.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=59_60&sort=rating&order=DESC

They make an excellent (not exact) product which generally does not requiring fitting and they provide good service.

Good Luck
 
- Original 8 Power Zeiss Zielacht Scope
-High Turret Mounts
-K98

Avoid the Chinese Scopes as after 3 shots the recticle moves out of place from what others say.
Don't drill and tap a real good rifle as there are lots of these already out there and ready to use for a sniper project.

 
read up as much as you can . look at lots of original period pictures of scopes . keep an eye on ebay for correct period scopes, mounts rings, with reputable dealers. that don’t have stupid prices.
 
Coyote Ugly said:
- Original 8 Power Zeiss Zielacht Scope
-High Turret Mounts
-K98

Avoid the Chinese Scopes as after 3 shots the recticle moves out of place from what others say.
Don't drill and tap a real good rifle as there are lots of these already out there and ready to use for a sniper project.

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We have a Erwin Konig wannabe in our midst. Too bad the prop k98 from Enemy at the Gates used single claw mounts... And I think the scope was actually an Ebra :)
 
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I'm also looking to do the same.

I have a mix master Russian capture code 42 1939 K98. It currently has a no drill scout mount on it which is ok but the low power just isn't getting the job done. Not to mention it looks odd.

My current plans so far are to go with the high turret mounts from Accumounts. They seem to get reviewed well. As far as a scope I have been looking at pre and post war German stuff but there is also a Ukranian based option selling a Jena remake of a ZF39. From what I read after the war Zeiss Jena was taken by the Russians and had the factory reloacted to Kiev. These scopes are supposedly built by this factory to original drawings. Not sure about the quality which is why I am stalled out.

I'd gladly buy a finished project but I never seem to find them.
 
Thank you all for the advice! Going to start looking around and plan out my project! My K98 is a byf 42, I remember seeing some WW2 Hensoldt scopes in the EE once upon a time, gonna have to keep an eye out.
 
Turret mounts would be the way to go if you want to be as correct as possible.
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Forgive my ignorance, but the turret mounts are the ones shown in Coyote Ugly's photo correct? I am a fan of the scope pictured in that photo too, any idea of how hard to find these are? I did a quick search and came up empty.
 
Invicta084 said:
Forgive my ignorance, but the turret mounts are the ones shown in Coyote Ugly's photo correct? I am a fan of the scope pictured in that photo too, any idea of how hard to find these are? I did a quick search and came up empty.
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Turret mounts

Keep in mind there are low and high versions. The high version being roughly 1/4" higher than the low. This is dependant on the size of the scopes ocular bell. Zeiss and Ajack scopes fit the low for sure.

Also these ring require disassembly of the scope to install. Big PITA if you want to do it correct as possible. And they have to be soldered along with the bases. Accumounts offers two piece rings to save the work involved.
 
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http://k98k.com/?hg=0&nr=0

http://k98k.com/shop/

My mounts were made in Austria. That's his website in Austria. They say these are the best and as close to original as you will get. The detail and fit is incredible.

Invicta084 said:
Forgive my ignorance, but the turret mounts are the ones shown in Coyote Ugly's photo correct? I am a fan of the scope pictured in that photo too, any idea of how hard to find these are? I did a quick search and came up empty.
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I forgot to mention. You can also go the Short Side Rail route if you will.

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But the turrets are solid in comparison. The SSRs can loosen over time.

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its a hunting scope , if you were to put it on a clone you would want claw mounts or a short side mount. most WWII German military scopes had fixed focus.
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Claw mounts are are used by the SS with reworked G98s and BNZ rifles for the most part.

Commercial hunting scopes were used on earlier rifles.
 
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