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This is not a pole to see who thinks witch is better I just want to know what you guys think would be better for modifying, And I Don't mean butchering.

I want to get a new stock, bed the stock and float the barrel. Then I want to get a scope mount that actually looks good like the RockSolid mount for the Mosin, and get a nice scope. I'm not sure about keeping the Iron sights or removing them but it will depend on once I get the rifle in hand. In the Case of the Mosin I would also have to get a bent bolt. If I was to get the Mosin I would also want to get a M44 or the version made in 1944 (There is many names for it) but it is more like a Carbine with a short barrel because I was planning on cutting the barrel down if I got a Nagant, because 20 inches compared to 29 is a lot.


What I would want to know from you guys is what it comes down to from Price of the rifle, Price of surplus ammo, how accurate the rifle is, and how well the trigger is.

I am trying to go for rifle that has a sporting appeal to it, and I want to do most the work on the rifle as a project. When I'm done this and I am at a range with the rifle or showing a friend and they ask what rifle it is, I want to be able to say that is MY Custom Lee/Nagant/Kar.

Any Ideas or thoughts are helpful
Thanks
 
Not a popular place to ask about sportering........but my choice would be isreali capture k98 in 308. Dont drill or tap or cut anything.
 
There are all sorts of already modified, sported rifles out there. Start with one of those for your project.
 
Sorry about the choice of my place to post I just thought since these are all older military rifles it was suited to be in this section.
 
+1 for getting an already sporterized rifle.

They are cheaper, and you can easily swap stocks and scopes with one. Not to mention you will get less flak for modding one. Heck you can get a sporter enfield for $100-200, and since your swapping stocks, sights and scope anyhow, it should suit your purpose just fine. Actually more than fine.

Best of luck!
 
CanadianAR said:
Not a popular place to ask about sportering........but my choice would be isreali capture k98 in 308. Dont drill or tap or cut anything.
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Prepair to be flamed in 3...2...1...JK Laugh2

Honestly, if you're going to do this please don't go murder a helpless milsurp :p As a few of the other guys have mentioned, there are already quite a few bubba'd sporters out there soo if you intend to cut the barrel please please do it to one that bubba already had his way with.

There's a pretty cool Israeli K98 sporter in the EE right now but it's ready to go so I'm not sure that it would be much of a 'project' for you. There's also a couple Enfield sporters for sale as well.

In Canada, Enflield sporters are pretty prevalent so you could pick one up at a really decent price. I'd recommend that you do that because K98k's are generally more expensive and it's harder to find a bubba'd one (not to say that there aren't any) but please don't just go slice up a RC cuz they're still pretty collectable...plus they survived WWII, then the Soviets so it would be a shame for you to finally do one in after all it's already been through :kickInTheNuts:

Anyways though, if you simply must cut up an original, I'd say go pick up a Mosin Nagant 91/30 for $100 and do what you've gotta do..... :mad:
 
student of history said:
Prepair to be flamed in 3...2...1...JK Laugh2

Honestly, if you're going to do this please don't go murder a helpless milsurp :p As a few of the other guys have mentioned, there are already quite a few bubba'd sporters out there soo if you intend to cut the barrel please please do it to one that bubba already had his way with.

There's a pretty cool Israeli K98 sporter in the EE right now but it's ready to go so I'm not sure that it would be much of a 'project' for you. There's also a couple Enfield sporters for sale as well.

In Canada, Enflield sporters are pretty prevalent so you could pick one up at a really decent price. I'd recommend that you do that because K98k's are generally more expensive and it's harder to find a bubba'd one (not to say that there aren't any) but please don't just go slice up a RC cuz they're still pretty collectable...plus they survived WWII, then the Soviets so it would be a shame for you to finally do one in after all it's already been through :kickInTheNuts:

Anyways though, if you simply must cut up an original, I'd say go pick up a Mosin Nagant 91/30 for $100 and do what you've gotta do..... :mad:
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I wouldn't sporterize an original condition K98 or Enfield. But mosins are plentiful, cheap and many are already refurbed. If the Soviet govt significantly refurbed the Mosin in the 1950's or 1960' before sticking it in cosmoline storage, I don't see how anyone could rightly complain about you altering its 'original' condition, since someone else already did that. So if you choose a Mosin, look for the refurb mark, and don't alter one that truely is original. That would be my advice. Also, try to keep it as original as possible, and don't sand the stock if you can help it.
 
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Liam021 said:
I just want to know what you guys think would be better for modifying, And I Don't mean butchering.
Any Ideas or thoughts are helpful
Thanks
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Tends to be the same thing.
Would make an old war vet dress up in a pink tutu and hose for the Remembrance day parade? :)
 
Lots of "don't do it" answers here. No easy answer to your question. They all lend themselves to modifying in different ways. Being Canada, there are thousands of sportered Lee Enfields that are available for very cheap. Ripe for a make over.
Mosins are the same as they are a dime a dozen and refurbed. I bought a 91/30 recently that is a refurb. Beautiful but has no rifleing left. I mean none. It keyholes with a 2' group at 50 yards. That gun is now my spare parts gun (I have several good ones) Any collector would tell you not to alter a gun like this but they wouldn't buy it for anything.
Mausers Are pricey even sporterd so I would leave tham alone.
 
desporterizer said:
The problem with doing something like this is that once done it rarely shoots better than it did & just ends up a mutant nobody wants.
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If one is going to hunt with it ; dragging a full stock 10 lb battle rifle gets a little old, fast. The same goes for iron sights.
Get a already bubba'd .303; here in AB they are quite numerous...like, walk out in your yard and do a slow circle. You probably had your eye's pass over a house with one in it. LE have great iron's compared to K-98's and M/N's as well.
I kind of like taking a decent buck with a milsurp. Allows you to laugh at the high dollar; must be better rifle boys
But not everyone has the dollars, inclination or desire to restore one.
LE are great rifle's; detachable, high capacity clip. They are quite arguably the fastest cycling bolt action ever built with great sight's and probably shoot better than 90 % of us are capable of.
No-one is going to cut one down; although a scope might get mounted.
Why buy a 400-500 dollar rifle and turn it into a 150 dollar rifle.
But to protect your investment get a no gunsmithing mount, it will help your rifle retain it's potential value.
 
Just buy a modern hunting rifle or an already bubba'd sporter you cheap ass.

Stop destroying history to save a buck (when in reality it costs more than just buying new Stevens or the like).
 
tokguy said:
If one is going to hunt with it ; dragging a full stock 10 lb battle rifle gets a little old, fast. The same goes for iron sights.
Get a already bubba'd .303; here in AB they are quite numerous...like, walk out in your yard and do a slow circle. You probably had your eye's pass over a house with one in it. LE have great iron's compared to K-98's and M/N's as well.
I kind of like taking a decent buck with a milsurp. Allows you to laugh at the high dollar; must be better rifle boys
But not everyone has the dollars, inclination or desire to restore one.
LE are great rifle's; detachable, high capacity clip. They are quite arguably the fastest cycling bolt action ever built with great sight's and probably shoot better than 90 % of us are capable of.
No-one is going to cut one down; although a scope might get mounted.
Why buy a 400-500 dollar rifle and turn it into a 150 dollar rifle.
But to protect your investment get a no gunsmithing mount, it will help your rifle retain it's potential value.
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I don't believe the op mentioned hunting but I think I would be ashamed to admitt that I couldn't do for three days what a man half my size did for five years, with prey that shot back.
 
FWIW, there are a BUNCH of .308/7.62 Chilean Mausers at Tradex now in mis-matched and beat up condition for $325. If you must modify, that might be a reasonable place to start.
 
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I wouldn't sporterize an original condition K98 or Enfield. But mosins are plentiful, cheap and many are already refurbed. If the Soviet govt significantly refurbed the Mosin in the 1950's or 1960' before sticking it in cosmoline storage, I don't see how anyone could rightly complain about you altering its 'original' condition, since someone else already did that. So if you choose a Mosin, look for the refurb mark, and don't alter one that truely is original. That would be my advice. Also, try to keep it as original as possible, and don't sand the stock if you can help it.
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The idea of refurb Mosins losing collector value is foolish at best. These rifles were refurbed for a reason - they had to be brought up to serviceable condition after being used (and used hard). Also, the refurb process was done by Soviet state arsenals (the military) and thus are not the same as bubba taking a quart of paint and a drill and tap to a historic rifle after a six pack and an episode of "Sons of Guns".

Also the concept of doing something truly unique with any milsurp rifle is a joke, most people seem to have the illusion they will fully customize a rifle into something the world hasnt seen and will improve it. This bubba often has the illusion they are different from other bubba's in that they know what they are doing and will undoubtedly create something wonderful. Almost always you end up with this... (In a Lee Enfield case - may or may not include bipod)

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As was mentioned - buy an already sporterized rifle. There are some very nice commercial sporters which may catch your interest.
 
ArtyMan said:
The idea of refurb Mosins losing collector value is foolish at best.
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Not trying to be a smart ass here, but I could say the same thing about the idea of a refurbed Mosin having collectible value in the first place. I paid more for my daughter's BB gun.

If a WWII era Mosin Soviet refurb looks like crap, and is going to be put back into service, I personally think it's ridiculous to treat it like its Ming dynasty vase. Of all the milsurp stuff out there, the refurbed Mosin is probably the best candidate for refinishing or sporterizing. That's what the OP wanted to know, and that's my opinion.
 
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