KAC SR-15 or DD M4?

I have been very pleased with my DDM4 V4 SBR 11.5 for all except one thing: The A2 grip appears to be out of line with the upper receivers by a few milliliters and the aftermarket grips I have tried were a real pain to fit and then would leave a gap between the grip and the trigger guard. I have researched the issue and it appears to have been out of spec grip holes in the lower and DD fixed the issue on newer models (my DD is a 2013 production). That being said, I did install a URX rail on it...

I have that exact model coming in from Wolverine.

Ironically enough, I have that exact issue you're describing with my ATRS Gen 4 receiver.
 
Thanks for all the replies so far. Being ambidextrous is not a make/break thing for me, but it's a bonus. My intended use is a typical restricted range gun. That said, regardless of what gun I am considering, I have no problem paying for quality, and generally own the top quality guns I can afford, as opposed to owning more guns of a lower quality. The DD is ~$2200 out the door, and the KAC is around $3700 all-in at this time. For $1500 difference, I can add a T2, furniture to my taste, and even have a look at aftermarket triggers for the DD. This is compounded by the fact that DD uses nothing but top shelf materials (7075 upper, lower, buffer tube) which give nothing away to KAC in metallurgy...and may even surpass them in certain areas.

However, like a Ferrari 458 vs Nissan GTR head-to-head, value per dollar alone doesn't decide a winner. Which one would you rather have in your driveway...

Then it is KAC hands down.
 
Imo if your looking for best I say well both are great, best for the money I say DD and If money is not a deterrent and you want not only the best but the one with best name recognition, brand status and extra mall ninja street cred Id go with KAC!

The way I see it you wouldn't buy the DD and 6 months later say" what a peice of crap, I should have gone with the KAC". You might say gee a KAC shure would have ben cool! You might buy the KAC and six months later say" Wow glad I bought this instead of a pos DD" but that would just be your ego trying to justify the extra $1500 you spent or after six months with the KAC maybe the new toy anticipation might have worn off and you might think that you waisted $1500!

Now I went agaist all this haha, bought a DD , then bought a colt le6920. I like both and both were good but sold the colt cause even do the DD was more expensive I like it better!

So you coud be happy with the DD but if you burn of desire for the KAC then go for it!
 
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I have that exact model coming in from Wolverine.

Ironically enough, I have that exact issue you're describing with my ATRS Gen 4 receiver.

I took out my pistol grip today and checked it out as well as the lower. To be honest with you, it just might be a slightly enlarged A2 grip rather than a problem with the lower. All is tight and snug no daylight anywhere. As for the BG-16, it might just have been a bad grip that I got, would need to try another aftermarket grip but I am happy with the a2 to be honest. In any case, enjoy your DD man, that thing is just a pleasure to shoot, never fails to put a smile on your face.
 
I guess the way I see it, there's absolutely nothing wrong with either choice, but you'll doubtfully see any noticeable difference as an entry level shooter. A baseline DPMS rifle in the hands of an individual with training and practice will outshoot a KAC any day if you don't train and practice with it. Not knowing the OP's experience, it's obviously difficult to say. A KAC rifle will not make you a better shooter, and in my experience on the range I've witnessed more than a few individuals, blame their rifle because they can't run the gun on their first day shooting like the guy they saw on YouTube


In essence, it doesn't matter if you drive a Ferrari 458 or a Nissan GTR, if you can't drive for ####, the punk in his Honda Civic is still going to smoke you.
 
I'm going to buy a KAC a put it in a glass case and never fire it, just to irritate FoxAlpha. That way it can be a tool...of art lol
 
I'm going to buy a KAC a put it in a glass case and never fire it, just to irritate FoxAlpha. That way it can be a tool...of art lol

I'm sorry you think I'm irritated by this. You can do whatever you want with whatever you buy, but you're clearly missing the point.
A top tier rifle isn't going to make you a better shooter, and static shooting on a one way range isn't going to bring any of the benefits KAC has, to light. If that's all the OP intends to do (typical restricted range gun) I just don't see any benefit of going with the KAC. They're going to perform exactly the same.
That being said, I've always been of the adage "do whatever gets your d!ck hard" and if a KAC is what the OP really wants, then KAC is exactly what he should get.
 
but you're clearly missing the point.

I get your point just fine, but whether or not I'll use something to the full extent if what it's capable of honestly isn't of crucial importance to me. Quality is of far greater importance to me.

I've probably fired a total of 50 rounds out of my Benelli M4. It's more shotgun than my needs generally dictate. I enjoy the build quality of it, I enjoy using it it when I feel like it, and I enjoy having it in my collection. That's justification enough.
 
I guess the way I see it, there's absolutely nothing wrong with either choice, but you'll doubtfully see any noticeable difference as an entry level shooter. A baseline DPMS rifle in the hands of an individual with training and practice will outshoot a KAC any day if you don't train and practice with it. Not knowing the OP's experience, it's obviously difficult to say. A KAC rifle will not make you a better shooter, and in my experience on the range I've witnessed more than a few individuals, blame their rifle because they can't run the gun on their first day shooting like the guy they saw on YouTube


In essence, it doesn't matter if you drive a Ferrari 458 or a Nissan GTR, if you can't drive for ####, the punk in his Honda Civic is still going to smoke you.

who cares?
Your money, your choices!
my money, my choices!
 
I get your point just fine, but whether or not I'll use something to the full extent if what it's capable of honestly isn't of crucial importance to me. Quality is of far greater importance to me.

I've probably fired a total of 50 rounds out of my Benelli M4. It's more shotgun than my needs generally dictate. I enjoy the build quality of it, I enjoy using it it when I feel like it, and I enjoy having it in my collection. That's justification enough.

I don't think you are understanding. I'm not here trying to explain to you that owning something that exceeds your capability is wrong and I apologize if it came off that way. My point is to the OP, who asked a question comparing a DD rifle to KAC rifle. All I'm saying is that from a "users" point of view, the average minimal range shooter will never see the benefits of a Knights rifle, especially compared to a quality rifle like a DD. If you want to own the best factory built rifle out there, just because it's the best, by all means buy the SR-15 and do absolutely anything you like with it.
I'm merely giving my informed opinion, that from an end user perspective, the OP will likely not see a noticeable PERFORMANCE difference between the two manufacturers. "Want of the best" is in no way factored in to this statement, I don't collect things because they're the best and therefore I offer zero input if that is the question that is really being asked.
 
I don't think you are understanding. I'm not here trying to explain to you that owning something that exceeds your capability is wrong and I apologize if it came off that way. My point is to the OP, who asked a question comparing a DD rifle to KAC rifle. All I'm saying is that from a "users" point of view, the average minimal range shooter will never see the benefits of a Knights rifle, especially compared to a quality rifle like a DD. If you want to own the best factory built rifle out there, just because it's the best, by all means buy the SR-15.
I'm merely giving my informed opinion, that from an end user perspective, the OP will likely not see a noticeable PERFORMANCE difference between the two manufacturers. "Want of the best" is in no way factored in to this statement, I don't collect things because they're the best and therefore I offer zero input if that is the question that is being asked.

SR-15 is a softer shooter. Very noticeable even for range use. Worth the $1400 difference? Ehhhh maybe? But that's up to the OP.

However there are noticeable differences between the two rifles even just for range use. Especially if you shoot from both shoulders.
 
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I am the OP ;)

So then let me answer your initial question as simply as I can.
From your perspective, no, I couldn't justify an additional 1400 dollars on the KAC.
I've made my point, and you'll be extremely satisfied with either rifle.
 
Yo man...

Why not just buy everything.

Get both. but a KAC and 10.5 DD upper.

Or do the opposite.

1 is none 2 is one.

Do you get it ?

Just do it man.
 
Can you handle them? If the dd is as tight for upper and lower fit, and the handguard is solid, then get the cheaper one. I'd personally lean to the JP for $5,000. I think crafm has one.

http://www.crafm.com/firearms/rifles/jp-ar15-custom-18-rifle-storm-grey.html?___store=english
 
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i have a DDM4v11 with lantac e-ct1. e-bcg and dragon and i absolutely love it. it does everything i need it to do (and more) as a restricted range gun.

it would be nice if i had the money for a KAC though. just so i can say i own one. lol
 
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