KAC SR-15 or DD M4?

Buy the Knight's, so you can support the ambi community and encourage manufactures to produce products of the highest quality.

Oh wait, that's what I want you to do!
 
Kac... Jp.

KAC. Buy once, Cry once...

I'd buy the KAC just because of the backstory of the company.

Well, after taking a lot of things into account (including that although I grew up shooting right handed, I am naturally left handed and left eye dominant), I went with the KAC. Yes, it's probably a little overpriced, but I know I won't find myself wishing I'd gone with something else 6 months from now. Thanks to all that replied!
 
Well, after taking a lot of things into account (including that although I grew up shooting right handed, I am naturally left handed and left eye dominant), I went with the KAC. Yes, it's probably a little overpriced, but I know I won't find myself wishing I'd gone with something else 6 months from now. Thanks to all that replied!

Great choice. You'll be happy with your rifle! Post some pictures once you get it setup.

I just wish I could get one of those qd suppressors for mine..

If suppressors ever become legal I'm instantly buying an SR-15 CQB + QDC. That's a dream of mine.
 
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If you buy the KAC, you probably wont say, "Damn I wish I bought the DD instead."

There's a good chance he will when he experiences zero performance gain over the DD, has less/no money for ammo and optics and especially when the bolt breaks.
 
There's a good chance he will when he experiences zero performance gain over the DD, has less/no money for ammo and optics and especially when the bolt breaks.

Dude give me a break, OST has bolts and the KAC bolts last longer or as long as anything DD offers.
 
There's a good chance he will when he experiences zero performance gain over the DD, has less/no money for ammo and optics and especially when the bolt breaks.

This makes me question if you've owned a firearm before.

bolts breaking isn't something people experience much with AR-15's. Especially with an E3 bolt.
 
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Ask yourself a simple question: what are the two known areas that can fail on an AR-15 bolt? Answer with, what are the two areas of the design that the E3 bolt has modified?

The reduced cam pin/hole diameter in particular was a selling feature to me. The KAC design leaves more "meat" there for strength. I don't like proprietary designs either, but if it never breaks, what does it matter. I have zero worries.
 
If you are using your guns like any other machine enough you should replace parts and have backups regardless, same with traditional Di Ars where they be Colt, BCM, LMT or DD it doesn't matter.
 
If you are using your guns like any other machine enough you should replace parts and have backups regardless, same with traditional Di Ars where they be Colt, BCM, LMT or DD it doesn't matter.

My AR-15 is a range toy. I don't mind if I brake a bolt and have to wait a few weeks before I can shoot it again.

But I agree with ya, if someone depends on their rifle to feed their family or defend themselves then it's a great idea to have some replacement parts regardless of how high quality the gun is.
 
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I have to admit that I didn't really understand this thread. DD or KAC? I know DD has been the flavour of the month since Wolverine Supplies brought them in at a great price. But.. the price point isn't like it was and frankly it's a very good normal AR15. I would expect this to have been a Colt 6920, FN, LMT etc, or DD thread. Not a DD or KAC. If this had been a do I buy a KAC SR15 or LMT mrp, Colt Canada MRR, ADCOR, Noveske etc then I could understand it. Those are all high end aR15 rifles with additional features. The DD is a nice well built basic AR that at one time was at a very good price point.

Don't get me wrong, the DD hype has allowed me to get some over looked high end stuff at bargain basement prices. I just guess I don't understand it.
 
Is there any recorded occurrence of an E3 bolt breaking?

Read the other posts, all parts on all machines eventually break. I'm not saying it will break sooner or more frequently than any other bolt or part. I'm saying sourcing a proprietary bolt is more of a pain in the a$$ than a standard milspec bolt.

Ask yourself a simple question: what are the two known areas that can fail on an AR-15 bolt? Answer with, what are the two areas of the design that the E3 bolt has modified?

The reduced cam pin/hole diameter in particular was a selling feature to me. The KAC design leaves more "meat" there for strength. I don't like proprietary designs either, but if it never breaks, what does it matter. I have zero worries.

I don't disagree, just read above and below.

If you are using your guns like any other machine enough you should replace parts and have backups regardless, same with traditional Di Ars where they be Colt, BCM, LMT or DD it doesn't matter.

Exactly.

My AR-15 is a range toy. I don't mind if I brake a bolt and have to wait a few weeks before I can shoot it again.

But I agree with ya, if someone depends on their rifle to feed their family or defend themselves then it's a great idea to have some replacement parts regardless of how high quality the gun is.

You don't mind but some of us prefer to have functioning tools and access to spare parts without a lot of hassle. Proprietary parts does not make life easy. Also, no one has addressed my other point about not seeing any performance gains in the KAC over the DD, because there aren't any that are worth the extra cost.
 
I have to admit that I didn't really understand this thread. DD or KAC? I know DD has been the flavour of the month since Wolverine Supplies brought them in at a great price. But.. the price point isn't like it was and frankly it's a very good normal AR15. I would expect this to have been a Colt 6920, FN, LMT etc, or DD thread. Not a DD or KAC. If this had been a do I buy a KAC SR15 or LMT mrp, Colt Canada MRR, ADCOR, Noveske etc then I could understand it. Those are all high end aR15 rifles with additional features. The DD is a nice well built basic AR that at one time was at a very good price point.

Don't get me wrong, the DD hype has allowed me to get some over looked high end stuff at bargain basement prices. I just guess I don't understand it.

The LMT MRP is old news and far from amazing or necessary. the CC MRR is grossly over priced as is the KAC which as we already discussed has proprietary parts which bring their own issues. A full ambi rifle is not necessary at all. The Colt is another stock AR and can be had for a reasonable price. The FN offerings for the civilian market have 4140 barrels which is not milspec and therefore not worth the money they ask. Colt, DD, and BCM are milspec guns, the rest are questionable. Milspec isn't the be all to end all but it's a known standard and one that many companies fail to achieve.

ETA: We can toss in CC as well even if they're over priced.
 
There's a good chance he will when he experiences zero performance gain over the DD, has less/no money for ammo and optics and especially when the bolt breaks.

Maybe I'm just a noob, but isn't KAC one of the highest quality AR's money can buy along with Barret, Noveske, BCM, LMT and H&K? I know DD is quality, but I always thought of KAC being out of their league? Isn't that E3 bolt suppose to be the best of best?
 
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Maybe I'm just a noob, but isn't KAC one of the highest quality AR's money can buy along with Barret, Noveske, BCM, LMT and H&K? I know DD is quality, but I always thought of KAC being out of their league? Isn't that E3 bolt suppose to be the best of best?

For a DI AR15, yes
 
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