Kamloops - 300M "Frosty Farky" match

Great shooting Jerry and it was a pleasure to have shot one relay side by side trading x's with you for a short while. It must be very gratifying for you to have seen a dream come true shooting the 6.5-Mystic a gun you designed and built including the custom stock.

For all the GunNutz Savage owners, and believe me when I say that I'm not blowing my own horn, I shot the 12 FV .308 to it's maximum potential and managed a 737-36x out of a possible 750-75x.

I actually received the gun on a trade from another GunNutz member with a 6-16x56mm Leaper Swat scope attached. For all the critics of cheap Chinese optics I've put over 300 rounds down the pipe since receiving the Savage and the Leaper hasn't missed a heart beat. It holds it's zero and tracks beautifully and did exactly what I asked it to do at Kamloops.

There were two other production rifles on the firing line both Tikkas one in .222 and the other in .308. Their scores respectively were 721-18x and 711-11x. SAVAGE RULES!

I worked up a load for my .308 which is 47.6 grains of Varget using the Sierra 155 grain Palma, a Federal 210M primer and Winchester brass. The gun seems to prefer a barrel fouled by a half a dozen or so rounds and then will shoot .5 MOA all day. At the Frosty Farky I shot 95 rounds with out cleaning it and it was still shooting 10x's.

Savage makes one heck of an out of the box production firearm. Both Jerry and Aubrey White tell me as a newbie that in order to compete as a serious competitor I will need a gun that can shoot .25 MOA and I'm thinking about possibly having a match barrel installed on the .308 but I'm only thinking. Jerry, who I have the utmost respect for (we usually shoot rocks together in the hills behind Summerland most Fridays) feels that if I work on the factory stock, possibly replace the Accu-trigger and get a better front rest I could keep the factory barrel and dramatically improve the gun's performance. I have no doubt that Jerry is absolutely correct.

For any GunNutz members that feel or felt that Jerry was way out in left field I challange you to shoot beside him either at a competative match or shooting rocks behind Summerland....Jerry is one heck of a shot and we haven't heard the last of Jerry and the 6.5-Mystic.
 
For all those who may not know Jerry won the BR class at the Frosty Farky in Kamloops last weekend shooting his 6.5-Mystic with a 2 day aggregate of 749-61x.

The 10 ring at 300 metres was 4" in diameter and the 10x was 2" so spelled out that simple means that Jerry placed 61 shots out of a possible 75 into a 2" diameter circle at 300 metres or 328 yards.

Jerry I hope you don't mind me blowing your horn but that was one heck of a performance.
 
Cliff, thanks. It was a lot of fun shooting with you and Aubrey. In fact, that head to head style of shooting is a hoot. Talk about moving your shooting up a notch.

I really enjoyed that relay where we went 7X's (or so) back and forth. Who says your Savage can't shoot the X ring?

Actually, 1/2 MOA is all that is needed to shoot possibles and a very high X count. The big thing is consistency. That is where the stock, trigger, rests and recoil management come in.

If you get tired or sore from shooting (bleeding is no good for success), your scores will plummet. If the rifle bounces around during recoil, you will drop points.

From seeing this rifle and you shoot, there is little reason to put on a new barrel. Just fix what needs to get fixed and practise, practise, practise. You can and will shoot possibles. You already have!!!!

I continue to be impressed with that Leaper. The optics are very useable (Elite 3200 or slightly better), bright, and the POI doesn't seem to shift at all. Plus adjustments were what you expected. If they can just improve the lenses and internal flare control, they will have a superb product.

Crazy performance for the money spent.

And yes, from the location of some of those markers, I was wishing I was shooting a 30cal or bigger. But then again, I could always just learn how to shoot better.

Jerry
 
Here are some pics of the event.

Jerry


The firing line with BR at the far end, TR and F prone.


It is closer then it looks




Some pics of the gear there. Unfortunately, none on the TR space rifles.


Denis Lapiere, Me, Paul Reibin, Bob Pitcairn.
 
So Jerry, what did you think of Jay's Bipod??? Bloody awesome and a work of art eh! I have shoot off one twice now, once with Glen T.'s and once using Henry's Anna rifle at the APRA Homestead range back in late June.

HRPod.jpg

Jerry's Pic above of HR's Pod (hope you don't mind, it's better than any pics I have of this bipod Jerry)

They work very nice, no jump, no bounce, like shooting off my rest IMO, but I'm sticking to my rest, I've got 3 tops with bags that attach to my rest, windage on all of them, and a speed screw too, all made by HR, so more than this in my rest with all attachments it to change to a $400+ bipod now, and that is a deal, look at all the milling and the quality of his work, the elevation wheel and how the legs operate, it's slick, well thought out. I think it was HR and Jay's testing that came up with a lot of the design, and that was cost pricing basically for the first dozen he made, and I don't think he's planning on making more, but every man has his price they say :)

BTW, is Denis getting smaller or what?? :rolleyes:

kds
 
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Kodiak, that is an awesome rest and definitely in the running for bang for buck if you need a top end bipod.

For now, I will be competing off the bench so no need for a bipod. If I did try prone, I too will try and use the rests I already have. Also, this allows you to make the rifle that much heavier.

However, given the performance Denis gave with his Harris bipod, maybe not necessary. Just need to learn how to shoot. First time I have met Denis.

Jerry
 
I have to stick up for one of the Tikka shooters... he's a new shooter using factory ammo. ;-) But judging by you and the rest of their fans, Savage is clearly capable of great results. It takes more than good paint to be a good painter so take a bow for your great results - well done!!

Jerry and Denis put on a heck of a show and those two were the talk of the match. I mentioned to Jerry in an email that I was disappointed that i did not realize the The "Jerry" kicking butt on the bench was our own MysticPlayer! I had hoped to meet him some day.

Some time ago, During my very first UIT match, I had problems due to a crappy scope mount. Denis saw I was pretty frustrated and he insisted I try shooting with his spare rifle on the second day. I shot 199 and 200/200. He got me totally hooked on 6BR. He is a true gentleman and a wonderful ambassador for the sport.

Denis has shared many pearls with me...He is a fanatic on case preparation and is the complete opposite of the minimalist "chamfer the case mouth only" school of 6BR... Flash holes, primer pockets, neck turning, annealing , and primer depth are all meticulously made consistent. He actually has multiple barrels in multiple calibres that he changes himself, on the same actions depending on his preference. He is able to judge shooting conditions better than any shooter I have ever met, and has taught me tons. I've never heard him so much as whisper a negative or derogatory comment about any shooter. Super guy!

Unfortunately, I don't think he even owns a microwave, let alone a computer, so getting him to join CGN is next to impossible.

Ian
 
What is missing from all LR match reports? Equipment lists! It would only take a couple of minutes for the competitors to fill out, and yes, it's more work for the guy running the match, but we do it in benchrest, why not LR? All that's needed is a piece of paper per competitor with .....

Comp Name ________________
Age ________________
Class ________________
Caliber ________________
Action ________________
Barrel ________________
GunSmith ________________
Stocker ________________
Scope ________________
Case ________________
Powder ________________
Load ________________
Primer ________________
Bullet ________________
Velocity ________________

Sure would be interesting to see what everyone uses, esp. the winners! On the flip side, you could have your clubs insurance waiver and a place for the competitor to sign the waiver too and the match director could even record the money the competitor paid for the match on this paper as well.

It would be very interesting information IMO, all the different actions and cartridges.... what do you guys think?
 
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I really like it.


Except I'd omit "load" if it is meant to be the weight of the powder. I think that there will be people might see the load and think it would be a safe load in their gun.

I have noted that some new reloaders believe that reloading manuals are too conservative. I'd hate to be seen as encouraging some newby to wreck his gun.
 
The "Load" has been in the eq lists for BR for years. Everyone that loads IMO knows that works and is safe in one rifle can be a blow-up in another rifle. It's not meant as a loading manual by any means, just info on what everyone is using. The competitor usually fills out what he wants anyways, like load can be "enough" if he wants, or leave it blank.

I hope we can get a few match directors to agree to gathering this info.
 
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Of course

it should be part of. It makes it a lot easier for the beginners when trying to decide on there project builds.

Look at BR for an example in the US, The results that I have seen for about 6 matches have shown that the 3 winningest barrels in those matches were (in no particular order) Krieger, Shilen, and Hart. I knew Kreigers were big but had no idea of Hart's being up there. These results are mostly from the east side of the US but non the less good info.

I definately will be ordering a Hart barrel next year to try.


Calvin
 
SS barrels are a local thing. On the east coast you see more Hart's on the line and thus more in the winners circle and on the west coast you will see more Lilja than the others.

Here in Canada, we have few choices. Gailard(Centeral), MacLennon(Eastern), Smith(Western) are local Canadian producers that make really good barrels and by numbers, you see more of these Canadian barrels than the other good US barrels makers. They are cheaper and easiler to obtain. US barrels run about $400+ bucks landed, a Gaillard is $370 I think.

It's harder to get some of the US barrels up at a affordable price, but not impossible, lots of paperwork these days with Import/Export permits I think... In the old days, it was pretty easy to just order up a barrel from the US, before free trade and all :) In those days, I shot BR for group and score and used or shot against Hart, Shilen, Lilja, and Blackstar, MacMillian and Gaillard barrels. They all make really good barrels, as do Krieger, Broughton, Pac-Nor, Shilen, K & P, and Hart and 1 in every 10 are hummers :D according to Tony Boyer.

:dancingbanana: Hummers, it does not matter what you feed it for a powder charge or bullet(within reason), it just shoots, hummers, cut thru the wind with less wind drift, hummers, keep shooting well after they should be worn right out, hummers, clean easier, hummers, are a beautiful thing :dancingbanana:

cycbb486, I hope you get a hummer :dancingbanana:
 
If you do some snooping, you will find stories of US shooters using Canadian barrels because they were/are better in some respects.

I have used and seen used barrels from every Canadian barrel maker. They are the equal to any US product and there is zippo for import hassles.

Wait times are shorter, and the overal price is usually less.

I am presently shooting Gaillard pipes and couldn't be happier.

Jerry
 
Ditto, Ted is da man eh Jerry, my 6/250 has a Gaillard on her too and she shoots great... and I'm pretty sure cycbb486 has a Gaillard barrel too, but I think he's just scheming for next year already, out load, on the net :p Heck, talk about scheming/dreaming, I even made up my shoot schedule for 2007 based on last years match dates from the 4 western provincial rifle associations :runaway:
 
Yes fellows

I do in fact have one of Ted's barrels on my 6BR and think it is great. Actually I just got off the phone with him about 1/2 hr ago. Colorful character.

The first barrel on the PPC WILL BE Ted's barrel. Keith hit the nail on the head with my scheming, out load, as a matter of fact. It is just wondering if a Hart would be any better. The end result will probably be staying in Canada exclusively due to less hassles.

Copper fouling is non existent in Ted's barrel. I just wish I could get someone to drive it that knows what they are doing to see its potential. I have to get my concrete shooting table poured and out to the farm so I can take all the time testing that I want.


Calvin
 
How would you suggest getting your hands on a TG barrel? I'm building a 6.5X47 Lapua this winter; I had planned on going Ron Smith but I'm open to seeing what else is out there.
 
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