Keltec sub gen 2 vs ruger pc9 tactical
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Highly recommend MCARBO Sub200 gen 2 upgrades for internal & external.
Functionality, reliability, sturdiness, accuracy, and everything gets better, while keeping impressively light weight and ultra fast deployment.
Personal preference but also flat trigger option is added improvement with a crisp trigger pull weight at 4 lbs after an internal upgrade.
It is fun and reliable. Also the light weight is easy on back shoulder neck after shooting hundreds of round repeatedly.
Functionality, reliability, sturdiness, accuracy, and everything gets better, while keeping impressively light weight and ultra fast deployment.
Personal preference but also flat trigger option is added improvement with a crisp trigger pull weight at 4 lbs after an internal upgrade.
It is fun and reliable. Also the light weight is easy on back shoulder neck after shooting hundreds of round repeatedly.
I have both a PC9/PC Carbine and a Sub2000. I would take the Ruger in a heartbeat. The Sub2K folds, yes, but over time, that niche feature becomes less important, at least for me. Taking Glock mags in the grip is great, but again over time, not as big of a deal. My Sub2000 has more felt recoil (probably due to light weight), I can't put an optic on it unless I get an offset mount, and the built in sites are awful. Charging handle is super stiff and not a fan of the location.
Ruger is heavier but just made better in my opinion. It's a bit involved to completely take apart, and a number of parts should be replaced asap with Mcarbo kits (ie. shock buffer and clip, extractor, bolt retaining screws, etc.). Accuracy wise, out of the box I would take the Ruger. Operation, wise, I enjoy shooting the Ruger more. It won't win any beauty contests, but the gun is as reliable as they come.
Ruger is heavier but just made better in my opinion. It's a bit involved to completely take apart, and a number of parts should be replaced asap with Mcarbo kits (ie. shock buffer and clip, extractor, bolt retaining screws, etc.). Accuracy wise, out of the box I would take the Ruger. Operation, wise, I enjoy shooting the Ruger more. It won't win any beauty contests, but the gun is as reliable as they come.
Bubba Yugga
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Got em both. Love em both. Jammed them both full of the aftermarket doodads, and it's worth every penny.
The S2K is best for deep bush carry, and the Ruger is the Designated Marksman of 9 mils.
147 HP +P for both, no probs.
The S2K is best for deep bush carry, and the Ruger is the Designated Marksman of 9 mils.
147 HP +P for both, no probs.
The PC9 was close to irrelevant in its heyday let alone now so I think most of is that know the difference just don't bother pointing it out. Nobody gives a crap about the PC-9 anymore and it's obvious when it actually is being discussed.
Words do matter, that's why the "far left" is redefining everything.
I guess in a world of "triggers".... all we can do is control what triggers us.
Maybe PCC vs PC is your hill to die on, but I doubt it. Your issue sounds more like a clipazine, Carbine/Carbeen type thing and while I get it.... I get it and if I get it, well that's all that matters to me.
Your mileage may very and that's why I support the truckers!
Words do matter, that's why the "far left" is redefining everything.
I guess in a world of "triggers".... all we can do is control what triggers us.
Maybe PCC vs PC is your hill to die on, but I doubt it. Your issue sounds more like a clipazine, Carbine/Carbeen type thing and while I get it.... I get it and if I get it, well that's all that matters to me.
Your mileage may very and that's why I support the truckers!
Not a hill to die on, but certainly an irritant... and the issue was PC9 vs PC Carbine. "PCC" is (generally) considered to be a class of firearms rather than a Brand model.
At any rate... welcome to the New Canada folks... your civil liberties are gone, has it occurred to anyone yet what anti-firearm action Trudeau might take during this state of "emergency?" You think it won't happen, can anyone be that naive anymore.
handofzeus
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- Trout Creekish Ontario.
I just went with the JR Carbine with stainless barrel. I really tried to like the Ruger PC9 but from day one I found it ugly and the Glock mag looked weird sticking out the giant magwell. I'll admit that the latest tactical incarnation with the collapsing stock and m-lok foregrip appealed to me BUT the more I stared at it the more it reminded me of a gryphon or sphinx. A bastardized mish mash of different parts and angles and no one thing really complimenting the other. For lack of a better word the whole gun looks like an 'afterthought'. Just my 2 cents, to each their own.
coleman1495
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The sub2000 is an awful gun to shoot. There’s nothing fun about it, its one of the least comfortable guns to fire.
It folds, I guess that’s cool. The folding feature is the only redeeming quality.
I had the receiver separate enough that the hammer popped off its home. It jammed the poor thing solid.
If I bought another PCC I’d get something designed for use.
It folds, I guess that’s cool. The folding feature is the only redeeming quality.
I had the receiver separate enough that the hammer popped off its home. It jammed the poor thing solid.
If I bought another PCC I’d get something designed for use.
I had one and sold it. I couldn't even get a shooting position. I guess it would be fine if you put a high rise scope mount and red dot on it, but then what's the point of folding, you would need a 45 degree mount but even then it is awkward. Furthermore, the charging handle is a joke, my wife couldn't charge that thing.
Ever wonder why there are so many aftermarket accessories available? - because it sucks.
You can make the Sub200 rear sight slightly more useful by taking a drill to the opening and widen it a bit. Be careful not to remove the aperture completely. It worked when I had the gun. If the OP likes his purchase all is good. The FX9 and the Ruger PCC are better options in my opinion but then again my wife tells me I have to many guns and is going to be over the moon, in a bad way, when she sees the FX 9 at the door. Phoning Wolverine Monday. Thanks Troy!
Take Care
Bob
ps If you like guns that come apart find yourself a Marlin Papoose in .22LR, Now there is a sweetheart design. More fun then a lot of things I have done in my life.
Take Care
Bob
ps If you like guns that come apart find yourself a Marlin Papoose in .22LR, Now there is a sweetheart design. More fun then a lot of things I have done in my life.
