Backing up your statement and actually quoting the relevant passage in the Criminal Code which stipulates that OAL does not matter as it pertains to semi-auto's, such as the 10/22 platform being discussed.
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Backing up your statement and actually quoting the relevant passage in the Criminal Code which stipulates that OAL does not matter as it pertains to semi-auto's, such as the 10/22 platform being discussed.
elimsprint
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Would you please quote the relevant passage that says a 10/22 (for instance) built from unaltered factory parts with a fixed stock that has an OAL of less than 660mm is restricted or prohibited.
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I'll make it even easier. To revisit a comment you made earlier, apparently you have something official in writing from the CFC on this specific topic... That would certainly help confirm this "non-restricted less-than 26in OAL 10/22" status you are referring to.
What he said. To whoever doesn't believe this, phone the CFP and talk to a tech and find out for yourself and get it in writingI did.
Sincerely, I would be ecstatic to admit I am wrong. I hope you are able to furnish this written proof. I think many here, myself included, would love to own a non-restricted sub-26" 10/22 with, say, a 4.5" barrel complete with a factory non-folding stock.
elimsprint
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I have nothing regarding short 10/22's per se. All I have is an email saying that my TC Contender with a 10" barrel and an OAL of 23" is non-restricted and all that is is a non-binding opinion written for a specific firearm as I also stated earlier.
Why is it that all you people that say a firearm must be 26" or greater OAL can't seem to back it up with anything? It's all there in the links provided by aaron v, if it doesn't fit the description of a restricted or prohibited firearm it's non-restricted, pretty simple. Use your example and show me how it fits with either description or as they said in California vs OJ, if the glove doesn't fit, you must acquit
As a learning exercise maybe try and figure out why "Ranch Hand's" are non-restricted, I will assure you it isn't because the CFP decided to give us a present.
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The way it was explained to me by the tech was that if I installed a legally manufactured barrel shorter then the 10" one that they have ( I still haven't seen a factory 1022 rifle come with a 10 " barrel but that's what their info is) in their system then it has to be 26" or longer. She quoted "C" in the first link I provided. I'm guessing that may be one of their definitions of adapted. If I have a minute tomorrow I will call again and press for more details on why exactly.
Edit, I think this one may come down to the stock. I don't have a compact or youth stock here to measure but I am not aware of any non folding or non telescoping manufactured rifle stock that is that short. You have to cut the fore stock or its longer then the shorter barrels we are talking about here. I'll bet as soon as the word "cut" comes up it turns into a problem. The TC has a 2 piece stock doesn't it? You didn't have to alter that to make it work.
Edit, I think this one may come down to the stock. I don't have a compact or youth stock here to measure but I am not aware of any non folding or non telescoping manufactured rifle stock that is that short. You have to cut the fore stock or its longer then the shorter barrels we are talking about here. I'll bet as soon as the word "cut" comes up it turns into a problem. The TC has a 2 piece stock doesn't it? You didn't have to alter that to make it work.
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elimsprint
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Yes, the TC has a two piece and I will be using a factory pistol forend that is shorter than the barrel. The tech @ the 1090 local (not one of the regular 1-800-731-4000 operators) told me that I could adjust the LOP on a stock but I forgot to ask about cutting the forend down. He said bolting together factory made parts, including unaltered aftermarket parts, was not covered in Restricted "C". Think Mares Leg as an example. I also didn't get around to asking about a gun built with a collapsing stock/short barrel that started out less than 660mm at it's maximum length, what are the rules there?
Originally these were non-restricted, but the RCMP reclassified them as a handgun and they are therefore now restricted. Paul from Canada Ammo has posted about this before, I would suggest you contact him if you would like more first hand information.
link added, see post #3&4 (bear in mind this is form 2009):
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/347938-Pistol-grip-grizzly
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elimsprint
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I don't know about you but when I see something described as "pistol gripped" I tend to think handgun and would figure it fell under restricted "a" until proven otherwise. But that's just me
Something just doesn't sound right to me about you putting parts on your rifle to make it that short and it remaining non restricted. If you have a letter that says that you can, great. I know the mares leg keeps coming up but that comes out of the box that way and doesn't barrel swap like yours at all. Like I said, for the 1022 in question in this thread, go as short as you want, just not under the 26", that's what they said.
