Kosher slaughter is choosing to use a less effective method of killing when a more effective method is available. It really has no connection to hunting.
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Kosher slaughter is choosing to use a less effective method of killing when a more effective method is available. It really has no connection to hunting.
'Cause chickens lay eggs!
Not a fan of killing things myself because I don't have to, but there IS too much disconnect in the urban world from critter to steak on table. I watched a pig slaughter & for whatever reason the folks doing it used the hold it down, stab it in the throat & bleed it out. It seemed an eternity passed before the pig gave up the ghost. I think I would use the shoot it approach given the chance.
'Cause chickens lay eggs!
Properly slashing the throat gets the animal into shock. The sudden decrease in blood pressure and lack of oxygen to the brain stuns the critter.
Yes, it might take the brain 2 minutes to die but it's no different from blowing the heart to pieces by bullet.
Been there done that and the meat was delicious.
I don't see it that way. Halal and Kosher slaughter is death by bleeding out, exactly the same as a lung shot animal. IF we choose to condemn halal and kosher slaughter as cruel, then it is hypocritical to say it is OK for a hunted animal to die from a bullet that causes it to bleed to death.
Regardless of our justifications, the bottom line is that the cause of death is the same for a lung shot animal and an animal having it's jugular opened. A domestic animal is capable of suffering and feeling pain as much as any wild animal.
I don't like the Halal and Kosher slaughter technique, but it seems hypocritical to condemn them since most of my hunted game will also die from bleeding out. There may be better ways, but if halal and kosher slaughter is wrong, then hunting is so very close to the same thing that we are endangering it with the same breath.
I agree with you, but it looked like they severed a vein instead of an artery. Might be wrong mind you, it was 30yrs ago.
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Why keep quoting Halal and Kosher slaughter methods ? Are you in someway suggesting they are more humane than other slaughter methods?
Let's keep one thing straight; these methods are performed for religious reasons, nothing else. I don't hear of too many hogs being slaughtered by Halal or Kosher.
You can't compare hunting to a slaughter facility, there is no similarity other than the death of the animals.
You need to look at context.
If I could do a brain shot every time on a deer, I would, since it would be the most effective way of limiting suffering. I cannot do this though, so I dont' have an option.
Slaughterhouses DO have the option of this, but kosher/halal places choose not to because of religious beliefs.
We have a responsibility to kill animals as humanely as possible, given the context and situation of this killing- and kosher/halal choose not to take this route.
I'm not suggesting anything that i didn't say outright. Don't make stuff up.Why keep quoting Halal and Kosher slaughter methods ? Are you in someway suggesting they are more humane than other slaughter methods?
But that's the rub, if one death by bleeding to death is inhumane, then so is the other. I believe a lung shot moose and a goat that's had it's throat cut die under similar circumstances, and also that both deaths are humane. I don't give a #### about the reliogious or cultural aspects, I just dam sure don't want to get into an argument about humane slaughter that ends up shooting ourselves in the foot.
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Bingo. Except that as hunters we can do one better, we can use .375's.
I know what you mean and i mostly agree. But I don't think it's wise to encourage condemnation of either because for a non-hunter there is no difference. It's kind of like the duck hunter saying handguns should be banned.
It is easy to separate the 2.
Hunting is mostly done for food (and other side benefits such as recreation)
Halal and kosher slaughter is done for religion.
You justify it any way you want and it's fine with me. I don't see a difference or anything wrong with either. They both kill the animal by similar methods.
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Have another cow that needs killin next weekend. One 405g 45/70 bullet moving about 1900fps to the fore head at point blank range should do it. The last one was with a 38/55 255g soft point in the same spot and she folded like a card house in the southern Alberta wind.
No religion here, she just wont make it through the harsh SA winter...
No religion here, she just wont make it through the harsh SA winter...
If you properly stun them there should be no screaming.
They drop and start thrashing and then you stick them to bleed. Pumping the front legs by hand like they were on a bicycle helps get more blood out too.
remember taking a old cow to the local slaughter house and the fella had a long curved knife. He reached around the far side of her head and pulled. The cows head fell onto the floor and the cow was not far behind. I don't think there was any suffering.
When I was young every fall my father would kill a nice steer. For some reason he never shot the animal but would hit it with an axe on the forehead. My job was to hold the head steady. The animal would drop like a stone with four legs straight out. My father would then cut its throat. No suffering either.
I don't remember feeling anything other than being glad the old man didn't miss.
When I was young every fall my father would kill a nice steer. For some reason he never shot the animal but would hit it with an axe on the forehead. My job was to hold the head steady. The animal would drop like a stone with four legs straight out. My father would then cut its throat. No suffering either.
I don't remember feeling anything other than being glad the old man didn't miss.
Bacon........ it hasn't been mentioned in over 4 pages. Just sayn'......
It's not.
Slaughtering an animal is done for food.
The method of Kosher/Halal slaughtering is done for religion. Otherwise it wouldn't be called halal/kosher. If religion wasn't involved we wouldn't be having the discussion, as every slaughterhouse would be using the most humane method of slaughter, which is to knock out the brain first.
