Killing an animal

Gatehouse said:
It's not.

Slaughtering an animal is done for food.

The method of Kosher/Halal slaughtering is done for religion. Otherwise it wouldn't be called halal/kosher. If religion wasn't involved we wouldn't be having the discussion, as every slaughterhouse would be using the most humane method of slaughter, which is to knock out the brain first.
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Agree completely.
 
Most of the farmers in Europe use the knife to neck method for a very simple reason...

They don't have a gun, they are not hunters, do not posess the right to have a firearm, and typically don't care to have one, the knife method works great, and no license is required.

For the most part for them there, it's just that simple most of this bullet to the head for them is a waste anyways, as they will harvest the brains of the animals and have them prepared for eating, so if you shot it in the head and made mush of the brain, well, it's just a loss to them.
 
Grew up on a farm. Killed stock with the knife through the brain stem, and bullet to the same, and given the option if the animal allows the knife is a cleaner and more reliable way to do it. Shove it in at the base of the skull, wiggle it side to side, and that's it no noise, no fuss. Never bled out a live animal and not a fan of that technique.
 
Ftaview said:
Most of the farmers in Europe use the knife to neck method for a very simple reason...

They don't have a gun, they are not hunters, do not posess the right to have a firearm, and typically don't care to have one, the knife method works great, and no license is required.

For the most part for them there, it's just that simple most of this bullet to the head for them is a waste anyways, as they will harvest the brains of the animals and have them prepared for eating, so if you shot it in the head and made mush of the brain, well, it's just a loss to them.
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European slaughterhouses have access to bolt guns to kill an animal before bleeding them out.
 
Ftaview said:
Most of the farmers in Europe use the knife to neck method for a very simple reason...

They don't have a gun, they are not hunters, do not posess the right to have a firearm, and typically don't care to have one, the knife method works great, and no license is required.

For the most part for them there, it's just that simple most of this bullet to the head for them is a waste anyways, as they will harvest the brains of the animals and have them prepared for eating, so if you shot it in the head and made mush of the brain, well, it's just a loss to them.
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I was in West Germany in 1980, next to the Czech border on NATO exercises.
In these smaller rural towns at just after dawn there was much pig slaughter going on for daily use, as not many people had refridgeration.
Most locals had those spring powered handheld bolt guns with a kind of captive tip (?) for this task that I myself seen.
Even the poorest farmer could get loan of one through some local co-operative or something like that.
 
Qhergt said:
well, Iv killed many critters over the years. All from a distance with the bow or a gun. (besides the raccoon I killed with a steel pipe, and the odd chicken)


Today I had the opportunity to slaughter a sheep. I tell you, taking an animal in your hands like that and sliting its throat open and watching their eyes glaze over as they "leave" is quite the experience.
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I think we should avoid useing the word "killing" for many different reasons. The killer perp kills to rob somone, soldier kills a terrorist, wacko chinaman kills the pasenger in the bus etc, etc. Butchers, hunters, farmers do HARVEST animals for their meat IMHO. Sounds better and wacko greenies wont flip out b/c of wording.
 
Qhergt said:
This statement sounds like you think halal/ kosher slaughter is not done for food.
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So riddle me this. I was told that the halal rules can be "worked around" for hunting by cutting the throat of the animal immediately after it is shot. I even saw it done once where the fella shot the deer (10 attempt -- hit the high neck after aiming at the front foot.) and then out came the Kbar and a quick dash across the snow where he yanked back the head and start sawing like Rambo on a VC. He told me that they must cut the throat in order to eat the meat so he was from one of the two religions we're speaking of.

If they can shoot and then stick in a hunting situation how come they can't during slaughter where they truly have the time?
 
gunrunner8 said:
I think we should avoid useing the word "killing" for many different reasons. The killer perp kills to rob somone, soldier kills a terrorist, wacko chinaman kills the pasenger in the bus etc, etc. Butchers, hunters, farmers do HARVEST animals for their meat IMHO. Sounds better and wacko greenies wont flip out b/c of wording.
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Harvest is the process of gathering mature crops from the fields.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvest

Animals are killed for their meat.........Don't sugar coat it, the antis don't give a sh!t what you call it. They will hate you no matter the vocabulary.

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sjemac said:
So riddle me this. I was told that the halal rules can be "worked around" for hunting by cutting the throat of the animal immediately after it is shot. I even saw it done once where the fella shot the deer (10 attempt -- hit the high neck after aiming at the front foot.) and then out came the Kbar and a quick dash across the snow where he yanked back the head and start sawing like Rambo on a VC. He told me that they must cut the throat in order to eat the meat so he was from one of the two religions we're speaking of.

If they can shoot and then stick in a hunting situation how come they can't during slaughter where they truly have the time?
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Many years ago when Marco Polo and other Argali hunting really became popular, the outfitters had a hard time convincing the guides to not destroy the cape (ie-slashing the throat) on hunter killed trophies. There are quite a few older pictures floating around on the web of monster sheep with a big gash across the throat. :D
 
Qhergt said:
well, Iv killed many critters over the years. All from a distance with the bow or a gun. (besides the raccoon I killed with a steel pipe, and the odd chicken)


Today I had the opportunity to slaughter a sheep. I tell you, taking an animal in your hands like that and sliting its throat open and watching their eyes glaze over as they "leave" is quite the experience.
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To put this livestock slaughter on a hunting forum is like saying some white guy who's wearing a black suit and tie for the first time ever and saying he's got some empathy for people of color all of a sudden.
 
Brutus said:
To put this livestock slaughter on a hunting forum is like saying some white guy wearing who's a black suit and tie for the first time ever and saying he's got some empathy for people of color.
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I posted it in the hunting section because I figured Hunters would be the most likely to relate as I find most Farmers tend to hunt as well.
 
Qhergt said:
I'm not saying I enjoyed or liked doing it and watching it happen. I'm sayin it was a very differant experiance to watch another living thing die up close like that. If anything, I think it makes a person respect the animals we eat and understand more clearly the amount of work involved in preparing meat for the table. I think people should understand the process if not actualy witness it if they are going to eat meat. I found I have more respect for meat, where it comes from and how the animal has been treated (before and after) and the animal itself.

Also,in a hunting situation, unless its a "bangflop" the animal is going to run a bit and feel pain longer then a properly done "halal" or "kosher" slaughter or even bolt gun or electric stunning before hand.

Being from a jewish family and having members of my family that are fiarly religous, being able to slaughter and make an animal "kosher" is a welcome skill.
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My first moose kill, i felt like i committed murder. However, by the time the moose was quartered up i was over it.
 
just a reminder that life's not easy. nobody should get glory or thrill from killing another animal.if you do get help. of course us guys act the tough part, but its a reminder to only kill what you need and use as much of it as possible. that's why kids who grow up hunting don't turn out to be useless asstwits robbing old lady's.
 
Greenbasterd58 said:
just a reminder that life's not easy. nobody should get glory or thrill from killing another animal.if you do get help. of course us guys act the tough part, but its a reminder to only kill what you need and use as much of it as possible. that's why kids who grow up hunting don't turn out to be useless asstwits robbing old lady's.
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Not sure if i agree with that. Hunting is fun, and there is a thrill when you get a big bull moose in the sights of your 30-06. After the bang, well then all the work starts.
 
I just about lost it when I saw the first sheep get cut, I finaly got up enough courage to do it as I figured I shouldn't be eating the meat if I cant Kill the animal myself.
 
Qhergt said:
I just about lost it when I saw the first sheep get cut, I finaly got up enough courage to do it as I figured I shouldn't be eating the meat if I cant Kill the animal myself.
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I got over that early in life, just by killing rabbits. They squeal something horrid when they get caught by the leg in a snare and you have to put them out of their misery.

Anything i eat, i can kill. I would not want to kill a dog in anyway unless of course he is trying to eat me.
 
GunGuy34 said:
I got over that early in life, just by killing rabbits. They squeal something horrid when they get caught by the leg in a snare and you have to put them out of their misery.

Anything i eat, i can kill. I would not want to kill a dog in anyway unless of course he is trying to eat me.
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Yep, we all go through this at the beginning.
Gutting my first partridge.....wow.......stomach turning.
Now it's next, next, next! :)
 
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