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King Optics
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so you are saying they are not made, handled, touched, or looked through in or near china or any asian country, or contain parts from there?
Where exactly are the "european" optics made? Is china now in europe?
what would make me spend $1400 on your scope rather than on a nightforce or swaro, or a leupold mark4?
From what i've read here, you haven't answered anyone's questions, other than saying "give us a try before you deny"...
drop 1400. This week,scope fails,company tits-up,your on your own,i dont gamble much.
Well i don't think there are to many scope reps on here, rather i think there are a lot of hard working people who are going to trust products that have been working for 30+ years.How many of these scopes have you owned? How long have you owned them? I tell you what maybe instead of calling people ignorant and biased because they OPT not to listen to you hype up a product(who sounds like a rep now) you should actually have the scope 5-10 years and let people know how it works then
Well i don't think there are to many scope reps on here, rather i think there are a lot of hard working people who are going to trust products that have been working for 30+ years.How many of these scopes have you owned? How long have you owned them? I tell you what maybe instead of calling people ignorant and biased because they OPT not to listen to you hype up a product(who sounds like a rep now) you should actually have the scope 5-10 years and let people know how it works then
Save your breath, he hasn't logged on in 6 months...thankfully...
Save your breath, he hasn't logged on in 6 months...thankfully...
I didn't know when the last time he was logged in was, but when i read a garbage post like that all i can think to my self is (Some peoples children yeesh)
The sad thing is that it might (read might) be a decent product. Were it not for a hokey website that looks like it was designed by Ma and Pa Ketchup, plus some faintly high-falutin' claims and prices to match, they might have been given a less rough ride. I looked at the website again today and it still looks ridiculous.
However, they're presumably still in business so they must be selling enough product to stay afloat.
Stuart
However, they're presumably still in business so they must be selling enough product to stay afloat.
Stuart
there was atleast 1 member who owns atleast one and seems to like his, post #36 at the link
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3068787#post3068787
you hit the nail on the head, had they been in the 200.00 to 600.00 range, a guy might be able to take them serious, or atleast give one a try without breaking the bank, but with a price range of 700.00 to 1500.00 they are nucking futs.
the price coupled with the hostile responses from the company rep and the questionable design's such as a fluted scope body and piss poor photoshopping on the website make me think they are a shady company who's intent is to scam people
I read this thread for the first time a couple of days ago and some things written here peaked my curiosity. The description of the guy who builds the scopes and the mystery around the company sounded familiar so I done some investigating and confirmed my suspicions.
The Nick (Nicos) of King Optics is none other than the same Nick of the various Nick's Fly By Night Gunshops that existed during various times in Sydney, NS. Those from the area may remember Nick's first gunshop/gunsmithing business on Mackenzie Street across from the Steel City and the two others, one on Charlotte Street and on Prince Street.
In all three cases the shops operated for a while and then shut their doors with no explanations, leaving many customers with deposits on products and firearms in for repair out in the cold. Some people managed to get their money or fireams back by using threats of legal action and or physical force but many others were not so lucky.
The stores were a perfect place to go if you needed your daily dose of BS and if you liked being lied to, being an honest busisnessman was never one of Nick's strong points.
There are alot of people out there who still have some outstanding issues (money) with Nick, from my point of view I would rather have my firearms worked on by an gorilla with a 20 pound sledgehammer, than even having them in the same room as Nick.
I fixed many firearms over the years that were "professionally gunsmithed" by Nick. Most of his customers were one timers, as very few would bend over a second time.
　
A friend of mine also visited Nick's "manufacturing operation" (he is also quite familiar with Nick's antics) and came away less than impressed. For those that just have to know, the reason given for the fluting on the scopes was that they reduce vibration to allow for faster aiming
Scuttlebut has it that the parts for these "high quality" products may indeed be sourced in China through Cyprus with some minor machining done at Sydport, NS and then assembled in Nick's scope shack.
Based on what I know of Nick and my friends description of the finished product and scope parts he handled, I would rather duct tape a cardboard tube with toothpick reticles on my rifle than soil it with one of Nick's scopes.
Coming on here and trying to flog his product then disappearing when things got to hot for him is SOP for Nick.
The bad vibes everyone is getting over King Optics is just karma catching up with Nick.
So Nick you have been
The Nick (Nicos) of King Optics is none other than the same Nick of the various Nick's Fly By Night Gunshops that existed during various times in Sydney, NS. Those from the area may remember Nick's first gunshop/gunsmithing business on Mackenzie Street across from the Steel City and the two others, one on Charlotte Street and on Prince Street.
In all three cases the shops operated for a while and then shut their doors with no explanations, leaving many customers with deposits on products and firearms in for repair out in the cold. Some people managed to get their money or fireams back by using threats of legal action and or physical force but many others were not so lucky.
The stores were a perfect place to go if you needed your daily dose of BS and if you liked being lied to, being an honest busisnessman was never one of Nick's strong points.
There are alot of people out there who still have some outstanding issues (money) with Nick, from my point of view I would rather have my firearms worked on by an gorilla with a 20 pound sledgehammer, than even having them in the same room as Nick.
I fixed many firearms over the years that were "professionally gunsmithed" by Nick. Most of his customers were one timers, as very few would bend over a second time.
　
A friend of mine also visited Nick's "manufacturing operation" (he is also quite familiar with Nick's antics) and came away less than impressed. For those that just have to know, the reason given for the fluting on the scopes was that they reduce vibration to allow for faster aiming
Scuttlebut has it that the parts for these "high quality" products may indeed be sourced in China through Cyprus with some minor machining done at Sydport, NS and then assembled in Nick's scope shack.
Based on what I know of Nick and my friends description of the finished product and scope parts he handled, I would rather duct tape a cardboard tube with toothpick reticles on my rifle than soil it with one of Nick's scopes.
Coming on here and trying to flog his product then disappearing when things got to hot for him is SOP for Nick.
The bad vibes everyone is getting over King Optics is just karma catching up with Nick.
So Nick you have been
Them's strong words, pardner. Ya could have a lawyer breathin' down yer neck yelling "Slander!"
Anyway, as this thread keeps coming back like a bad pizza, I did a little online research, too. Not that it proves anything yea or nay but maybe some of the info may be interesting.
Yellow Pages .ca:
King Optics Canada Ltd
Louisbourg, NS B0A 1M0
902-733-3244
Business Details
Category
Fishing & Hunting
Directory
Industrial Cape Breton
There was a link there to the website, which came up as
Paradisekayaks.com:
Contact Paradise Kayaks & Outdoor Shop
Sydney - Louisbourg HWY # 22
Cape Breton, Nova Scotia
B1C 2E8
CANADA
Tel. (902) 733-3244
Fax: (902) 733-2533
"An exclusive carrier?" Presumably because they're the same company. The link on Paradise's website takes you to King Optics Canada. Interestingly, the same design firm did the web design for both businesses. Paradise looks pretty professional, whereas King Optics is faintly ludicrous.
From a post (2008) on camo dipping on the Nova Scotia Hunting forum, the gunsmith at Paradise is indeed called Nick.
I found P&D's comment interesting that they enquired about carrying King but had no response, although King say they are looking for dealers. They couldn't get a better dealer than P&D.
One thing surprised me- one of the people speaking well of King Optics is Kelly Ross of Skyline Outfitters in Manitoba, who seems to be a pretty straight up guy. (I think I had some correspondence with him some time ago.) Anyone here know him?
As to the presumed Chinese origin of King's products, one post here said that Falcon Optics is Chinese-sourced, and they've had pretty good reviews, However, they are marketed to fit into the Bushnell 3200 price point, not Zeiss! I also seem to recall that Mike Venturino wrote favourably about Leatherwood Optics scopes which he put on a BPCR rifle, and they are apparently made in China.
We all assume that all Chinese stuff is crap, and I'm pretty dismissive of a lot of it, too, but then we said much the same thing about Japanese stuff 40 years ago. However, I think we'll see the Chinese improve their quality control and begin to produce good stuff in the next few years. Maybe not at the Zeiss/Swarovski level, but better than we give them credit for now. The venerable Rupert Neve - one of the true "gods" of professional audio equipment, revered by pro audio people worldwide for over 40 years - recently teamed up with SE Electronics in China, who make studio microphones (quite decent ones, apparently), and they have introduced a $2,700 ribbon mic with his name on it. No way would Mr Neve ever work with people who he felt couldn't meet his impeccable standards.
Looking back on all this, it really does seem that King's biggest problem is not necessarily the product itself, which we must admit is a truly unknown quantity to most of us, but their shoddy marketing and image, which has resulted in them getting such a hostile reception here and elsewhere. Ironically, perhaps those few people who have taken the plunge and (happily?) bought a King scope are to be commended for "rushing in where angels fear to tread." Now I'm no angel but on the basis of King's marketing, if I were looking for a high-end scope, I'd be with most of you and go with the likes of Leupold and Zeiss.
StuartI am not too worried, I know Nick (not as a friend) and everything I wrote is true, I did not just look this info up on the internetThem's strong words, pardner. Ya could have a lawyer breathin' down yer neck yelling "Slander!"
. I know Nick has a certain "reputation" that is easy enough to document. I can easily bring people out of the woodwork that would like to ask Nick where their money is, there are a lot of ghosts in his closet.I also know a lawyer down there that Nick got on the wrong side of over a firearm and I have no doubt that he would take any legal work on a pro-bono basis just to get his hooks into Nick, memories run long in Cape Breton.
I want to be clear that I don't have it in for the guy as he never ripped me off, I never gave him the chance. I was introduced to him by someone we both knew and my spider sense went off like a siren. BTW he screwed over the mutual friend. So I am just passing on what I know of the person behind King, I actually find the whole thing quite amusing.
Paradise and King are related.josquin said:
I wouldn't send him my Daisy Red Ryder to have it oiled.I take it you won't be sending him your Rigby .450 double for regulation, then?
a little DNS query of kingoptics.com for fun reveals
a "nick/Nicolas" appears to be behind King Optics, and this Nick Coincidentally also appears to live near Sydney. you sir could be right! but lets look just a LITTLE deeper into the internet black hole...
If you search for the 200 Byrnes lane (king optics address) you get this. Wow, so scopes are built here, AND they run a kayak tours? Wow, talk about branching out. But I mean that is a DIFFERENT Nicholas, that one is Nicholas Mathews. A quick search of DNS information gives me
2 nicholas's, running 2 different business', from one address, with both domain names registered by the same service (Dotster) but with 2 different phone #'s... things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmmmm...
just for fun,
paradisekayaks.com
IP Address: 208.43.160.248
Traceroute to the IP of the server where the website is hosted: - Texas - Dallas - Softlayer Technologies Inc
Kingoptics.com
IP Address: 174.37.170.106
Traceroute to the IP of the server where the website is hosted: - Texas - Dallas - Softlayer Technologies Inc
WOW both websites are also being hosted by the SAME webhost out of Texas. what a coincidence... they appear to be EVERYWHERE here...
Gotta love technology
