Kipplauf Club
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Half the price as well. Wow.
Looks very interesting from a mechanical standpoint, and I'm sure it locks up like a vault. I'm also sure that it will get some hopefully tasteful engraving, and certainly a miles-deep blue job...
...but it just looks a little too massively built, a little too heavy and a little too ungainly and awkward in form for me to say I like it.
I saw that myself and had a good chuckle
I decided to bring this thread back to life again now that I have more-or-less solved my kipplauf-scoping issues. 
A number of us had discussed how sad it was that sleek little kipplaufs were saddled with gigantic, heavy, ungainly, overcomplicated Euro QD mounts. There was talk of drilling/tapping the guns and equipping them with Talley or other bases to allow the use of "normal" rings.
Aside from the fact that I just don't like extra holes drilled in my guns, I was faced with a couple of dilemmas in this regard. I have no problem drilling and tapping a gun myself, despite lacking anything beyond a simple drill press for the job. I've had success doing so...on a number of cheap and easily-replaceable guns...but didn't want to risk doing it myself on something that cost some folding money and would also be difficult or impossible to replace. And my inherent thriftiness makes it difficult for me to pay for round-trip shipping of the gun to a remote 'smith. Hmmm...what to do, what to do...?
The two guns in question for me were a Haenel Jaeger 9 (which has an integral 12mm scope dovetail) and a wonderful Brno Effect (with a 14.5mm dovetail); both guns feature a recess or hole in the dovetail for a recoil pin or lug. The Haenel worked out well with the use of a pair of polymer adaptors that slid onto the 12mm dovetail with some difficulty (they were sold for 11mm rimfire dovetails) and then accepted standard Weaver rings...but the plastic bugged me, and it stuck out on both sides of the rings far enough to be very visible. The Brno dovetail happens to be the same size as a Talley base, and a set of Talley rings looked beautiful on it, mounted directly onto the gun...but there was no easily apparent way of engaging the recoil-lug cutout in the dovetail, as Talley rings have a lot of transverse screws in them that leave insufficient "meat" to allow me to drill them and install a vertical stop pin.
The two guns were in 7x65R and .308Win...not hard kickers, but lively enough in such light rifles that I really felt a recoil pin or lug would be prudent. I test-fired both guns without stop pins, actually put over 100 rounds through the .308 Brno, and the scopes didn't move...but I just didn't trust 'em.
On the Brno, I actually tried a Ruger factory ring, which required that the recoil lug be reshaped slightly to fit. This sorta kinda worked, but the rings had such a minute amount of contact with the dovetail that I didn't even test fire; too flimsy-looking.
I now have both guns scoped using alloy Sports Match rings, typically sold for air gun use. They aren't beautiful to look at...but not nearly as homely as the "correct" big-ass Euro mounts. They are super lightweight and they all come with an optional recoil stop pin. They come with various dovetail sizes; I have a nominal 13mm pair on the Brno, and a nominal 11mm set on the Haenel. The recoil stop-pin on the Brno pair needed to be ground down slightly to match the profile of the groove in the dovetail, easily done with just a file and a few minutes of trial and error. The Haenel required that the stop-pin simply be pinched with a plier to fit snugly within the groove.
Haven't tried the Haenel yet with the new set-up. The Brno works beautifully, has lots of clearance for manipulation to open the gun using medium rings, nice cheek weld, and the scope is rock solid and unmoved by recoil so far. Sadly, the set-up isn't QD; takes an Allen wrench to remove/replace the scope, and the POI can move 2MOA or more each time.
Oh well...at least I have effective, accurate scoped rifles to use and enjoy while the quest for the QD update continues. And, of course, there is something nice about having a sleek, svelte Euro-style sporter that works well and shoots accurately...and incorporates a little bit of hidden Bubba-Canuck enhancement.
A number of us had discussed how sad it was that sleek little kipplaufs were saddled with gigantic, heavy, ungainly, overcomplicated Euro QD mounts. There was talk of drilling/tapping the guns and equipping them with Talley or other bases to allow the use of "normal" rings.
Aside from the fact that I just don't like extra holes drilled in my guns, I was faced with a couple of dilemmas in this regard. I have no problem drilling and tapping a gun myself, despite lacking anything beyond a simple drill press for the job. I've had success doing so...on a number of cheap and easily-replaceable guns...but didn't want to risk doing it myself on something that cost some folding money and would also be difficult or impossible to replace. And my inherent thriftiness makes it difficult for me to pay for round-trip shipping of the gun to a remote 'smith. Hmmm...what to do, what to do...?
The two guns in question for me were a Haenel Jaeger 9 (which has an integral 12mm scope dovetail) and a wonderful Brno Effect (with a 14.5mm dovetail); both guns feature a recess or hole in the dovetail for a recoil pin or lug. The Haenel worked out well with the use of a pair of polymer adaptors that slid onto the 12mm dovetail with some difficulty (they were sold for 11mm rimfire dovetails) and then accepted standard Weaver rings...but the plastic bugged me, and it stuck out on both sides of the rings far enough to be very visible. The Brno dovetail happens to be the same size as a Talley base, and a set of Talley rings looked beautiful on it, mounted directly onto the gun...but there was no easily apparent way of engaging the recoil-lug cutout in the dovetail, as Talley rings have a lot of transverse screws in them that leave insufficient "meat" to allow me to drill them and install a vertical stop pin.
The two guns were in 7x65R and .308Win...not hard kickers, but lively enough in such light rifles that I really felt a recoil pin or lug would be prudent. I test-fired both guns without stop pins, actually put over 100 rounds through the .308 Brno, and the scopes didn't move...but I just didn't trust 'em.
On the Brno, I actually tried a Ruger factory ring, which required that the recoil lug be reshaped slightly to fit. This sorta kinda worked, but the rings had such a minute amount of contact with the dovetail that I didn't even test fire; too flimsy-looking.
I now have both guns scoped using alloy Sports Match rings, typically sold for air gun use. They aren't beautiful to look at...but not nearly as homely as the "correct" big-ass Euro mounts. They are super lightweight and they all come with an optional recoil stop pin. They come with various dovetail sizes; I have a nominal 13mm pair on the Brno, and a nominal 11mm set on the Haenel. The recoil stop-pin on the Brno pair needed to be ground down slightly to match the profile of the groove in the dovetail, easily done with just a file and a few minutes of trial and error. The Haenel required that the stop-pin simply be pinched with a plier to fit snugly within the groove.
Haven't tried the Haenel yet with the new set-up. The Brno works beautifully, has lots of clearance for manipulation to open the gun using medium rings, nice cheek weld, and the scope is rock solid and unmoved by recoil so far. Sadly, the set-up isn't QD; takes an Allen wrench to remove/replace the scope, and the POI can move 2MOA or more each time.
Oh well...at least I have effective, accurate scoped rifles to use and enjoy while the quest for the QD update continues. And, of course, there is something nice about having a sleek, svelte Euro-style sporter that works well and shoots accurately...and incorporates a little bit of hidden Bubba-Canuck enhancement.
Sauer Tell rifle at Intersurplus, in 25-35. Dare I say it is a Kool Kipp?
https://intersurplus.com/products/sauer-sohn-single-shot-in-6-5x52r
JJ my solution of drilling the top is not pretty, but it works. I too would prefer a set of qd rings with a single recoil lug. Someday someone will see my haenel up for sale and curse Bubba for putting holes in it
https://intersurplus.com/products/sauer-sohn-single-shot-in-6-5x52r
JJ my solution of drilling the top is not pretty, but it works. I too would prefer a set of qd rings with a single recoil lug. Someday someone will see my haenel up for sale and curse Bubba for putting holes in it
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6.5x52R? Do they sell that at Canadian Tire?
("The 6.5×52mmR is a European cartridge that is a close variant of the .25-35 Winchester. It should not be considered identical to the .25-35 Winchester and is not treated as such by the Commission Internationale Permanente pour l'Epreuve des Armes à Feu Portatives (CIP), which has released separate specifications for each cartridge.[citation needed] The 6.5x52mmR has its origins in Germany and was introduced by RWS and is chambered in many drilling and single-shot rifles. Any interchangeability between the two cartridges is solely dependent on individual chamber tolerances and should not be assumed." -Wikipedia)
I literally just came in the door from my absolute last final ultimate sighting-in session with my Brno Effect in .308, which will be my primary deer rifle this year, only to find that lovely shot of the K5 above.
I picked the Brno up from a wonderful CGN member earlier this year, and was instantly in love. Took me several months to find the scope mounting solution I liked; I wanted to keep the slim, trim rifle as lightweight and handy as possible, and most of the Euro mounting solutions were big, bulky, overweight and overcomplicated.
I wanted the opposite. What I ended up with was a set of aluminum rings made by SportsMatch in England; they offer a wide variety of rings to fit various dovetail widths. The Effect has, if I recall correctly, a 15mm dovetail, similar to Tikka and some CZ centerfires. These rings come with a round recoil stop pin that fits the central, circular recess on the Tikka integral rail; this required some plier-pinching and filing to get it to fit the asymmetrical, angled groove on the Brno, but it was not a difficult task. They are solid; yes, they lack the QD functionality that most Euro mounts have, but the trade-off is bulk and weight. These rings weigh almost nothing; the rifle as shown, with the B&L Balvar 2-8x gloss-finished scope, weighs in at 6.8 pounds. It handles like a dream, and...just as importantly, to me...it makes for a very graceful, slender package.
It's not quite perfect, of course. Chambered in .308, which isn't my favourite hunting cartridge...although I have a bunch of rifles chambered the same way!...it loses a bit of the Euro mystique, and of course it really should be a rimmed cartridge. But I have the Haenel Jaeger 9 which I like nearly as much, and that one is in 7x65rimmed so the "rimmed itch" has been scratched. The Brno can be fed with ammo from any Canadian Tire or Peavey Mart, if need be.
The other minor negative is the butt plate. It's a beautiful piece of curved, case-coloured steel...but it's smooth enough, and angled enough, that my normal stance and grip conspire to make the gun want to slip downwards on my shoulder if I'm not careful. But that's okay; when I'm shooting a gun that I like as much as this one...I am careful! I might even cut a piece of that rubberized sheeting sold for better grippability on rifles stocks, to fit it onto the buttplate just for hunting days. But maybe not; I like to smile when I look at my hunting rifle during a long day, and rubber might harsh my mellow.
I picked the Brno up from a wonderful CGN member earlier this year, and was instantly in love. Took me several months to find the scope mounting solution I liked; I wanted to keep the slim, trim rifle as lightweight and handy as possible, and most of the Euro mounting solutions were big, bulky, overweight and overcomplicated.
I wanted the opposite. What I ended up with was a set of aluminum rings made by SportsMatch in England; they offer a wide variety of rings to fit various dovetail widths. The Effect has, if I recall correctly, a 15mm dovetail, similar to Tikka and some CZ centerfires. These rings come with a round recoil stop pin that fits the central, circular recess on the Tikka integral rail; this required some plier-pinching and filing to get it to fit the asymmetrical, angled groove on the Brno, but it was not a difficult task. They are solid; yes, they lack the QD functionality that most Euro mounts have, but the trade-off is bulk and weight. These rings weigh almost nothing; the rifle as shown, with the B&L Balvar 2-8x gloss-finished scope, weighs in at 6.8 pounds. It handles like a dream, and...just as importantly, to me...it makes for a very graceful, slender package.
It's not quite perfect, of course. Chambered in .308, which isn't my favourite hunting cartridge...although I have a bunch of rifles chambered the same way!...it loses a bit of the Euro mystique, and of course it really should be a rimmed cartridge. But I have the Haenel Jaeger 9 which I like nearly as much, and that one is in 7x65rimmed so the "rimmed itch" has been scratched. The Brno can be fed with ammo from any Canadian Tire or Peavey Mart, if need be.
The other minor negative is the butt plate. It's a beautiful piece of curved, case-coloured steel...but it's smooth enough, and angled enough, that my normal stance and grip conspire to make the gun want to slip downwards on my shoulder if I'm not careful. But that's okay; when I'm shooting a gun that I like as much as this one...I am careful! I might even cut a piece of that rubberized sheeting sold for better grippability on rifles stocks, to fit it onto the buttplate just for hunting days. But maybe not; I like to smile when I look at my hunting rifle during a long day, and rubber might harsh my mellow.
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Looks like a great setup, perfect for deer season!I literally just came in the door from my absolute last final ultimate sighting-in session with my Brno Effect in .308, which will be my primary deer rifle this year, only to find that lovely shot of the K1 above.
I picked the the Brno up from a wonderful CGN member earlier this year, and was instantly in love. Took me several months to find the scope mounting solution I liked; I wanted to keep the slim, trim rifle as lightweight and handy as possible, and most of the Euro mounting solutions were big, bulky, overweight and overcomplicated.
I wanted the opposite. What I ended up with was a set of aluminum rings made by SportMatch in England; they offer a wide variety of rings to fit various dovetail widths. The Effect has, if I recall correcty, a 15mm dovetail, similar to Tikka and some CZ centerfires. These rings come with a round recoil stop pin that fits the central, circular recess on the Tikka integral rail; this required some plier-pinching and filing to get it to fit the asymmetrical, angled groove on the Brno, but it was not a difficult task. They are solid; yes, they lack the QD functionality that most Euro mounts have, but the trade-off is bulk and weight. These rings weigh almost nothing; the rifle as shown, with the B&L Balvar 2-8x gloss-finished scope, weighs in at 6.8 pounds. It handles like a dream, and...just as importantly, to me...it makes for a very graceful, slender package.
It's not quite perfect, of course. Chambered in .308, which isn't my favourite hunting cartridge...although I have a bunch of rifles chambered the same way!...it loses a bit of the Euro mystique, and of course it really should be a rimmed cartridge. But I have the Haenel Jaeger 9 which I like nearly as much, and that one is in 7x65rimmed so the "rimmed itch" has been scratched. The Brno can be fed with ammo from any Canadian Tire or Peavey Mart, if need be.
The other minor negative is the butt plate. It's a beautiful piece of curved, case-coloured steel...but it's smooth enough, and angled enough, that my normal stance and grip conspire to make the gun want to slip downwards on my shoulder if I'm not careful. But that's okay; when I'm shooting a gun that I like as much as this one...I am careful! I might even cut a piece of that rubberized sheeting sold for better grippability on rifles stocks, to fit it onto the buttplate just for hunting days. But maybe not; I like to smile when I look at my hunting rifle during a long day, and rubber might harsh my mellow.
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