Kyle Precision Arms. Canadian's Holy Grail?

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But CNC machines are only as good as the software doing the conversion from the CAD system and the guy fine tuning it..

Have the machine cut too fast you heat up the part... too slow no money to be made...

It's good that they are planning to start slow... And I hope they do well but if they are new with the machine it will take time to get good.... Trust that they hire decent machinists and someone who knows the capabilities of the machine and characteristics of the materials they are planning on working with...
 
It took a minimum of 2 years to design and bring a rifle to market - even then most have lots of bugs in the beginning becuase they are rushing.

Building a semi auto rifle is not just drawing a picture on a napkin and go with it. Look at MSAR stg 556, Masada, XCR, Kel Tech bullpup.....

As much as I like a non-restricted 308, I am not interested in a rifle that only kinda works. I will only buy things that are tested and frigging work. If you use me as a beta tester, you better set up a budget and warranty reserves for all the going back and forth. It is the reality - mass production always need fine tuning and that a few prototypes could not guarantee the mass produced model work. It is simple- when you have a large sample size you start seeing how off your prototypes are from the optimal.

My opinion is don't hype this up - because it won't come out in a year. If it comes out in a year - most likely it won't be good stuff.
 
greentips said:
It took a minimum of 2 years to design and bring a rifle to market - even then most have lots of bugs in the beginning becuase they are rushing.

Building a semi auto rifle is not just drawing a picture on a napkin and go with it. Look at MSAR stg 556, Masada, XCR, Kel Tech bullpup.....

As much as I like a non-restricted 308, I am not interested in a rifle that only kinda works. I will only buy things that are tested and frigging work. If you use me as a beta tester, you better set up a budget and warranty reserves for all the going back and forth. It is the reality - mass production always need fine tuning and that a few prototypes could not guarantee the mass produced model work. It is simple- when you have a large sample size you start seeing how off your prototypes are from the optimal.

My opinion is don't hype this up - because it won't come out in a year. If it comes out in a year - most likely it won't be good stuff.
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Companies with large R&D budgets, how could a small firm test and build a mass produced semi auto rifle and bring it to market as a quality item without it costing a fortune? Especially if its a new design altogether?:confused:
 
There are ways of cheating.
Take an existing gun and wrap it into a new shape and say its a new gun. Or take 2 different guns and slap them together, like an AR180B. I always wanted to take a G3/HK91 and slap on a G36 charging handle and put it into a plastic receiver and you could pretend you created something different, meantime the actual bolt, trunion, barrel could all be HK, but only you would know. Anyhow you get the idea.

Hell even could license the Valmet M78. But we wont know whats going on until there is a product to sell.
 
Armedsask said:
NON-RESTRICTED rifles to compete with the AR10 and AR15 series of rifles.

The days of overpriced and hard to get US items are coming to an end.

If you are still not excited, I heard talk of complete AR15's under $1000. ;)
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In due time, if they can accomplish all that, my Visa is going to see numbers she asn't seen before!

I sincerely hope it all works out because I'm frickin' tired of U.S. export laws. Hell we can't even get a (weapon mountable) flashlight battery cover no more! Talk about dumb and dumber...

Plus if we can get QUALITY ARs as low as our south neighbours can, short of winning the lotery, it's going to be heaven on earth!

Good luck guys!
 
greentips said:
It took a minimum of 2 years to design and bring a rifle to market - even then most have lots of bugs in the beginning becuase they are rushing.

Building a semi auto rifle is not just drawing a picture on a napkin and go with it. Look at MSAR stg 556, Masada, XCR, Kel Tech bullpup.....

As much as I like a non-restricted 308, I am not interested in a rifle that only kinda works. I will only buy things that are tested and frigging work. If you use me as a beta tester, you better set up a budget and warranty reserves for all the going back and forth. It is the reality - mass production always need fine tuning and that a few prototypes could not guarantee the mass produced model work. It is simple- when you have a large sample size you start seeing how off your prototypes are from the optimal.

My opinion is don't hype this up - because it won't come out in a year. If it comes out in a year - most likely it won't be good stuff.
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I agree with you 100%. No one said this would happen tomorrow.

I wouldn't worry too much about the rifles not being proven. Some of the destructive testing that has been tossed about makes me giggle like a school girl.
 
its great that this venture is in Canada, but in the end it will be up to the economics of it all....

good luck and look forward to seeing/hearing about the products.
 
Armedsask said:
I agree with you 100%. No one said this would happen tomorrow.

I wouldn't worry too much about the rifles not being proven. Some of the destructive testing that has been tossed about makes me giggle like a school girl.
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Destructive testing - if it means the ability to withstand a high pressure or kaboom it is jsut one aspect.

If it is a 15,000 rounds endurance test, it is a different story.

There are many things - even the one pin that holds the gas block will ruin your rifle's reputation.
 
I look forward to seeing what they can produce for the Canadian Market. A new source of parts that do not require importation (which is getting increasingly difficult) would be a good thing.

I'm wondering if they've investigated the potential for licensing products from companies south of the border (ie Larue, etc) which would save considerable time in product development and testing....I mean, licensed production of a Masada up here would be....uber-cool.

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I'll believe it when I see it, the Canadian market is small and limited by unfair application of a confusing set of laws.Bigger companies have been sunk in larger market areas. Good luck on 'em but I'm not saving any pennies for this new uber rifle yet.
 
Very good news! I would much rather hear from those that say
"We are going to try and make a go of it"
than those that whine about how it sucks to be us.

And a ball-kick (figuratively speaking of course) to the first guy that says Canada is too small of a market.
If Finland with 5.3 million people can have firms like Tikka, Sako, and Valmet,
if Switzerland (7.5 M) can have Swiss Arms
if Austria (8.3 M ) can have Steyr,
then why can't Canada with 33 M and a HUGE area to actually shoot in, do the same?
 
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