Kyle Precision Arms. Canadian's Holy Grail?

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Another 'Wait a year and see if anything shows up' Thread...
Why does everyone have to say there is awsome stuff available....but then it's... well...wait a year or so...
kinda like ammo...$400 a case...soon....maybe soon...end of the year..no in the spring...wait.. in april...

Some cat you let out. Let us know about it next year in 2009...or early 2010.
 
Actually, product will be leaving the door in the next few months.

I love how the Canadian gun community thinks. Marstar will bring in every little gun if you just ask them but no one will build stuff here. :rolleyes:
 
I am all for supporting the firearms industry here in Canada but I like to see what is offered first and when they start manufacturing I will look and see if anything catches my eye
 
Assyrian said:
Another 'Wait a year and see if anything shows up' Thread...
Why does everyone have to say there is awsome stuff available....but then it's... well...wait a year or so...
kinda like ammo...$400 a case...soon....maybe soon...end of the year..no in the spring...wait.. in april...

Some cat you let out. Let us know about it next year in 2009...or early 2010.
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Yikes! Could you be a little more negative? :eek:
This is good news story. Shoot the stuff you have until
these items come online. :)

P.S.: Armedsask--I wouldn't mind firearms in .223 as well as .308.
 
because it's cheaper to get a 400$ m305 from marstar than it is to build a gun in canada. if it doesn't make (or save) dollars, it doesn't make sense.

I applaud these guys for doing it, but it isn't gonna be easy for them
 
tootall said:
Very good news! I would much rather hear from those that say
"We are going to try and make a go of it"
than those that whine about how it sucks to be us.

And a ball-kick (figuratively speaking of course) to the first guy that says Canada is too small of a market.
If Finland with 5.3 million people can have firms like Tikka, Sako, and Valmet,
if Switzerland (7.5 M) can have Swiss Arms
if Austria (8.3 M ) can have Steyr,
then why can't Canada with 33 M and a HUGE area to actually shoot in, do the same?
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You have to compare apples to apples............

Almost all of those European/Scandinavian countries listed are firearms friendly countries for their civilians.

All the Scandinavian countries have excellent shooting/competition programs in place and they are encouraged.Also military service is mandatory and all households have firearms.

I was in Norway years ago and was amazed at the support and promotion of the shooting sports over there.Every Small town has it's own shooting team and range, with competitions every weekend................

In Canada , the promotion and participation level doesn't even come close..................SO yes, sad to say, but Canada is a small firearms market............sorry to burst your bubble..........

But if this venture does work out, it will be great news for Canadian shooters.:D

SKBY.
 
Steyr, Valmet and swiss arms make weapons for their governments with almost no competition from the outside. That's what keep them going in the first place, and civilian firearms come from that base. Constant upgrade and refurbishing of arsenal keep them alive.

Switzerland made about half a million Stg 90.....and Diemaco only made about70,000 C7 IIRC. Now compared the total strength of Finnish defence force and Austria army to Canada - Austria has an army of about 50K + another
400k reserves. These neutrual countries embrace some total defence strategy with a large number of reservists. That's why they purchase a large number of small arms that keep the companies going.
 
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I think it would be an improvement to be able to get rails, mounts and barrels of any length we want without providing a DNA sample to USDOS. Besides, I'm already in for an AR180B lower. Hmmm, have to start looking to source an upper.
 
Wrong Way said:
.308? Nahhh....wanna make it big? Build me a .40 cal that looks, smells, handles, and shoots like...but isn't....an MP-5 :)
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Make that in a .40 Magnum instead of a .40 Special and I'll be standing in line with you.;) That would rock!

Good luck to KPA....I'm one of those people who is willing to pay a premium for Canadian made. I'll be waiting for when their stuff hits the market....
 
Don't know about guns but they may be able to go head to head with quality parts and accesories . Maybe see thier rails and rings in Brownells catalogue next year . Don't know the laws but if Para Ordinance can supply the American market why wouldn't these guys be able to supply AR180 lowers .
 
Here is my take:

The number of swiss arms rifles in Cdn market is limited - most people have rails already - and Stainless Steel is the wrong material to use. It is too heavy and too hard, and offer no advantages. The aluminum rail that TSE got PRI to make it the perfect rail, better than the steel #### B&T turned out in the beginning.

I am not very familiar with the precision market, so I cannot really add my two cents on the demand in that market. If you build anything related to the black rifle market, your quality will be automatically compared to LaRue. So you need to be equal or better than LaRue, or vltor ( vltor stuff is just ok anyways IMHO)

FAL like rifle sounds cool. However, a FAL is a very #####y thing to make and expensive. There are too many parts. The multi-lug system of Stoner is the less expensive because the receiver can be cut very fast becasue it can be aluminum extrusion tube.

The easilest thing is probably a scaled up AR180B, like an AR16- that uses AR10 or SR25 magazine - FAL mag doesn't work too well because the feeding system is different-look at how long Bushmaster and RRA spent on fixing that problem-like 3 or 4 years? People seem to underestimate the amount of work need to put in the design of feeding. Making the lower out of barstock and the upper out of extrusion tube. Use AR15 fire control parts Rip off the G36 handguard design for quick access to the gas system. Use as many AR15 furniture and accessories to keep costs down.

Another good project is a semi-automatic 50cal - there are too many high priced precison rig out there but no one make a 3000 dollars repeater with military accuracy.
 
The real advantage of such a company is not necessarily cost-reduction, but making things designed for the Canadian market (e.g. .308 non-restricted black rifle).

That being said, I think one thing within the grasp of a new company is a VZ-58 pistol! (Maybe an M-14 pistol!) Made from modifying or assembling existing parts. With appropriate magazines, of course.

I have to second the big AR-180 approach - I was just thinking the same thing - can you scale up an AR-180 to .308?

And if they manage to product a "local" Valmet, I will remortgage my house...
 
Oh, and RCMP-legal semi-auto Stens, Tommy Guns, and PPSh could probably be made, and might sell well.

I didn't want to do a shopping list but here I am. But I really like the starting-small and making things Canadians want first approach. I think they are doing the right thing, and it's not my business to tell them what to do.
 
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The real advantage of such a company is not necessarily cost-reduction, but making things designed for the Canadian market (e.g. .308 non-restricted black rifle).

That being said, I think one thing within the grasp of a new company is a VZ-58 pistol! (Maybe an M-14 pistol!) Made from modifying or assembling existing parts. With appropriate magazines, of course.

I have to second the big AR-180 approach - I was just thinking the same thing - can you scale up an AR-180 to .308?

And if they manage to product a "local" Valmet, I will remortgage my house...
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Hmm only one small issue like the LAW standing in the way of your grandiose ideas...
 
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