Lack of IPSC long gun matches

Why are IPSC long gun matches not common in Canada?

  • Lack of interest

    Votes: 11 22.4%

  • Mag cap limits/prohibition of certain guns

    Votes: 24 49.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 14 28.6%
  • Total voters
    49
  • Poll closed .
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Perhaps I'm entirely wrong and somewhere in Canada they happen all the time, but there aren't any on the IPSC Alberta calendar and I can only see one 3-gun match on the IPSC Ontario calendar.

I was just wondering why, we hardly had any IPSC rifle matches when I lived in the UK either, but that was because of the popularity of service rifle. Shotgun was pretty popular though, even before the handgun ban.
 
Well I just shot one this past weekend in Barrie and we are hosting one at EESA on the 26th and 27th. That is the first time we will have two in one month.

There is another one at Barrie in September.

I think that is the first time we have had three in a year in Ontario.

I think that the main problems are...........

1) Stupid mag cap
2) time............rifle matches take quite a bit more time to run a stage so you get less stages in a match.
3) access............many people who shoot IPSC do not own rifles.


The above said I can safetly say that the interest is increasing.

When EESA held its first 3 gun match in 2002 we built a great bunch of stages....

Sadly there were 8 EESA guys and 6 or so non EESAers show up.

2003 we were getting about 24 people out to our two 3 gun matches that year.

This year we are going to have at least 50 peole shoot all three!!
 
I hope that will be mine first match. I got the rifle, and am working on shotgun.

Q.
JOHN,
How many rounds for rifle and
how many for shotgun at EESA?
 
Interest is increasing quite a bit. I beleive one big issue is getitng enough workers you can work a lot of matches with 2 - 4 ROs, but 3 gun matches require at least 6 (assuming the scorekeeper is also an RO)- not to mention CRO's,etc. the lack of range facilties may be a secondary one.

right now we have Storms, Oly arms ARs that take glock mags, Puger PCs, rifle topends for 1911s and glocks, so mag capacity to my mind is less of an issue. I think interest will increase hugely if the issue of the 10 round .223/5.56 pistol mags in rifles is resolved- lots of AR's and 5.56 black-green rifles out there
 
Storm definitely hit the nail on the head - it's obvious he's been putting them on.

More and reviewed...

Pistol is simply easier to host and run and cheaper to play in.

It's A LOT more work to put on a IPSC long gun match.

The days are significantly longer; stage times are not just 14 sec, they're 90 seconds +

Range resets are much longer; you have to go 200m sometimes to score and patch.

While a lot of facilities have multiple pistol ranges, they don't have multiple rifle ranges, so concurrent competition is damn near impossible.

Ammo is more expensive. Multiple guns are more expensive.

Your possible audience for the match is far smaller. People got their black badge with a pistol, so they have the equipment for a IPSC pistol match from the beginning. The Long gunners have since gone out and bought more toys.

Always happy when we have more, but I very much understand why we don't, and have great respect for those MDs who do run them.
 
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Mag capacity was deterent, basically came to resolve that mag changes are almost as important as shooting the AR. Don't like the fact that my AR is restricted, but with the 180-b, M96, Mini14, XCR, and other non restricted A "Type" rifles, you can have a Varmint Rifle, and a 3-gun rifle. I hate having a rifle I can only use for the range.

Now that 10rd mags can be used, it makes it more interesting. Mag changes are important, but no more so than handgun. I hope to see more sanctioned rifle matches. The only thing keeping me from Shotgun IPSC, is the fact that I don't have the best shotgun at all for competition (HP9, 14"norc)
+++Note to self, .....need a Benelli m4:shotgun:
 
Cost would be the major factor .
Time is another , and mag limits .
workable ranges is another .
Freedom Ventures pretty much nailed it .
 
IMHO it's the mag rules that were the biggest problem. The 10 round pistol mags are a huge bonus now.

Secondly it was the time. As mentioned rifle takes longer to score than pistol and not enough bays to run more than one stage.
 
Well Rule 4.3.1 opens a whole new door to long range IPSC rifle competition that I hope to take into account for next years event. With our 300m range under reconstruction it did not make sense this year. But next year.......I plan on being all over it.

It should actually be faster as fast as a handgun competition!
 
cybershooters said:
Perhaps I'm entirely wrong and somewhere in Canada they happen all the time, but there aren't any on the IPSC Alberta calendar and I can only see one 3-gun match on the IPSC Ontario calendar.

I was just wondering why, we hardly had any IPSC rifle matches when I lived in the UK either, but that was because of the popularity of service rifle. Shotgun was pretty popular though, even before the handgun ban.
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1) Service Rifle is pretty big out here too...There are two clubs in the Calgary area, and a couple around Edmonton.

2) There are a number of three gun shoots (unsanctioned) happening out of Lethbridge fish and game this year. I haven't been, but I hear it is a hoot.

3) I'm guessing (I may be way off base...) getting a match officially sanctioned by IPSC is a hugh pain in the ass.
 
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3) I'm guessing (I may be way off base...) getting a match officially sanctioned by IPSC is a hugh pain in the ass.
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and why would you guess that? it is the same as a pistol match. Level 2 and below just requires sanctioning by the section.
 
Walter Hornby said:
and why would you guess that? it is the same as a pistol match. Level 2 and below just requires sanctioning by the section.
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Walter, I did say 'I may be way off base';)

I sight Spruce Grove as an example.
They run three gun matches with none on the calender so I assume none are sanctioned (?)
S.G. seem to have their Sh!tz together and run a league format. If it is this well set up & organized why are their three gun shoots not up on the calender? I assume they don't want to go the <extra?> distance to have it opened up outside of the range membership.

Please correct me if this is not the case.:)

I should add that I've never even been to an IPSC three gun shoot, so all of this is (very) limited observation on my part.:redface:
 
As Msss said, they don't observe IPSC Rules so they cannot be saction. they are "fun" matches. doesn't mean IPSC members can't go just they cannot claim RO points.

It is like anything else, if people want to do it (Mass's comment build it and they wil come hit the nail on the head) then they will make the effort to set it up and run it. They coud be done at Fort McMurray, Spruce Grove, Olds, Brooks (if the club approved it) and Lethbridge.

As for a league again it takes someone to get it going. for example in our local area we run two winter leagues, the Walter and Murray gun night and the Brooks (or maybe we should call it the Scotty night) gun night, in the winter. in the summer there is a league in Lethbridge and another one in Brooks. note that none of these leagues are run by IPSC. they are run by local people who want to shoot or practice.
 
How would the rifle portion of an IPSC 3 gun event differ or compare to the Tactical rifle matches that are held in BC?
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=150200
As I understand it, they would be similar, but not identical. IPSC uses a power factor in rifle, just as in pistol, whereas TR does not. Also, we in TR do not use the pepper popper knock down, only small plates. (B-zones)
Any other differences you are aware of?
 
Walter Hornby said:
As Msss said, they don't observe IPSC Rules so they cannot be saction. they are "fun" matches. doesn't mean IPSC members can't go just they cannot claim RO points.

It is like anything else, if people want to do it (Mass's comment build it and they wil come hit the nail on the head) then they will make the effort to set it up and run it. They coud be done at Fort McMurray, Spruce Grove, Olds, Brooks (if the club approved it) and Lethbridge.

As for a league again it takes someone to get it going. for example in our local area we run two winter leagues, the Walter and Murray gun night and the Brooks (or maybe we should call it the Scotty night) gun night, in the winter. in the summer there is a league in Lethbridge and another one in Brooks. note that none of these leagues are run by IPSC. they are run by local people who want to shoot or practice.
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I can tell you there would be no problem at all running a three gun match up here in the Fort, EXCEPT that I am not sure if anyone is actually qualified to do that !:redface:
What are the prerequisites to shoot an IPSC three gun, and what are the rules?
I'm a belly gunner , shotgunner, and BP guy, don't know nuthin' 'bout IPSC!
Not sure if our IPSC guy does , either, only seen Jim with a handgun!
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