LaRue, PWS, KAC etc, What Are We Really Paying For?

Nestor said:
Lack of understanding what quality means comes from the cycle of average Canadian gun ownership. Buy, fire couple of rounds (usually from the bench), take some cool pictures, put some accessories on your firearm. Fire it couple more times, buy more accessories. Sell on EE for as much as possible. That's it. No wonder that Norincos are so popular.
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Good point.

-S.
 
Maple Leaf Pilgrim said:
How many rounds you have down the pipe on your HK?

-S.
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I own several HKs.

But to give you an example in 2006 I put over 5000 rds in 2 days through one 1000 rds of that suppressed and the results were amazing considering rate of fire with FA burst as well. AH date code I think 2005 production year.

Sorry PWS. I just can't take that very seriously. Ask LAV what he think of PWS or some other expert. That company can't compare.

It's like comparing a 1970's fighter to a 21st century fighter.
 
Stoner99 said:
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I own several HKs.

But to give you an example in 2006 I put over 5000 rds in 2 days through one 1000 rds of that suppressed and the results were amazing considering rate of fire with FA burst as well. AH date code I think 2005 production year.

Sorry PWS. I just can't take that very seriously. Ask LAV what he think of PWS or some other expert. That company can't compare.

It's like comparing a 1970's fighter to a 21st century fighter.
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Where'd you go to do that kind of work?

And the change in accuracy was?

-S.
 
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GuiltySpark said:
The F117 stealth fighter is a 1970's design. Seems to be doing better than the F35 ;)
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Bwahahaha! Nice one, mate!

But seriously, I am not here to do this PWS/HK pissing match again, this individual's a HK fanboy, I get it. I don't care. I got my chops, I know what I can do. What I want are facts on the HK. I want to see what's changed with them since we rejected them back in 2005.

-S.
 
I run on average 3-4k rounds down the pipe a month on my AR in the warm months. Its training for work and as with any organization, they cant give me an unlimited supply of ammunition. So reliability is a key component to any purchase I make. While my trigger time with this rifle is mostly off duty, reliability is a must. My question is, at what point with what company do you get the best quality for your money? I have no issues buying a tier 1 rifle if it REALLY is just that good.
 
Once you get up into the upper end rifles you're paying for better coatings, better fitting and machining, and in the case of my PWS the R&D they put into making a proper long stroke piston function reliably for thousands of rounds in an AR platform. I don't regret my purchase at all, it's my favorite AR of all the ones I've owned and even though I built 2 others that I shoot more often I still consider my PWS to be my best and my go to rifle.
 
cr5 said:
Once you get up into the upper end rifles you're paying for better coatings, better fitting and machining, and in the case of my PWS the R&D they put into making a proper long stroke piston function reliably for thousands of rounds in an AR platform. I don't regret my purchase at all, it's my favorite AR of all the ones I've owned and even though I built 2 others that I shoot more often I still consider my PWS to be my best and my go to rifle.
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Just out of curiosity have you ever handled, fired or owned a H&K AR and if so any thoughts on how they compare to any/all the AR's you've handled/shot?

Cheers D
 
Stoner99 said:
It's not that the Seals, Delta, KSK, Grom, France, Etc etc use them it's because I know and most importantly I use them. I'm just kidding around a little. but seriously..

AR's come in 3 main classes for weight like most things with of course many specific requirements and variations of needs.

But to dumb it down.

Light
Medium
Heavy

HK's 416/417 fall into the last 2 groups mostly considering the more popular and main production variants out there. I would say there are different ways of arming your platoon or section, regiment whatever to get to the same result in many ways. But for professionals in many circumstances the HK line just meets the demands where others don't in durability, and usage. Of course this can depend on the variant, barrel length and type. Many bloggers/Interneters make comparisons between various companies and they are comparing guns built for almost identical purposes to the naked eye but within that orgs requirement it makes a difference.

Other thing to keep in mind some companies may make a fantastic rifle but how many can they produce? And then maintain that same quality? Most can't and many of these smaller companies are filling more specific niche which is great, but overall HK line wins.

The engineering on the 416 line really did take the AR to new levels and it's still the best out there for the most part.

If you have the cash I say get one for the history alone it is indeed worth it.
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You're a certain type of "special", aren't you?
 
GuiltySpark said:
IMO there's a lot of times when you quickly stop paying for a products quality and start paying for the name.
HK is huge on charging retarded amounts of money thanks to their name. I can't remember the part it was but basically on any other AR it was a $75-$100 piece and for an HK version it was over $800.

There also seems to be companies that spring up over night and think if they have a cool name and jack their prices up people will pay big. Sadly I think they're often right.
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Every buy parts directly from HK versus a distributor or retailer? Big difference. Also note that HK is primarily concerned with large government/agency contracts. Again, a striking difference between those prices and retail. I wish it were a different story because it would mean I'd have a lot more stuff, but very often that price difference is not from HK, but rather from those selling HK products to the retail market.
 
Anything will do until you try those top tier AR's, nothing is more convincing than a trial with one, talking is cheap but experimenting is seeing why they are at the top... JP.
 
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