Last minute CDPA/IDPA-style safety/holster certification course

IDPA and CDP are to separate entities, they are in no way affiliated. In CDP, we teach the basic fundamentals of IDPA as it ibasically the same, but there are small change made to the IDPA rules so that we can accomadate shooters who are not 12(6) grandfathered and a couple of other silly holster issues, nothing major, but CSSA is the body that over sees CDP and Dave Bukre is the Provincial coordinator. Someone hit the nail on the head here, in fighting is going to do nothing but make it worse for us, just come out and shoot, is this all about having fun? Way to much bickering going on about petty things. If you do not want to pay the $50.00 then don't shoot it, but don't complain either. I have now put 33 shooters through the CDP course at my club and not one person has complained about the cost, and they were fully aware of what it was for and were it is going. As a matter of fact, we also charge $5.00 per head on shoot nights. That money covers the cost of targets, supplies, mailings, what ever is required for the league, and again, not one person has complained.
 
David Burke was equivocal about the relationship between IPDA and CDP when I took his course a couple of summers ago - his inference was that there was an alliance between the two- that CDP was basically just a clean-up to deal with Canadian legalities. He referred us to the IPDA manual for procedural and course of fire outlines. This is the point that I think needs to settled- it serves no one to have two camps running around purporting to be their version of the truth. IPDA as she is wrote cannot be fully implemented in Canada - so lets get a uniform harmonized product out there for Canadians that makes the necessary accomodations - badger IPDA to acknowledge it, and get everybody on the same page.
 
IDPA, the real IDPA is here. I believe that both Trtium and Popurhedoff are both in a club that is IDPA affiliated, so if they are shooting it in Ontario, at a CFO approved range, then it has been approved and it is infact here. Maybe one or both of you guys can jump in here to verify this.
 
well if andwhen anyone works out what we are going to do in canada with this i,m intrested.
This has not even been around that only and its allready starting to sound like IPSC.....
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badboybeeson,

I disagree, we who shoot CDP are having a great time with no internal problems unlike was the case with IPSC. We just have to make sure we affiliate properly if we are going to go that route and I have personally, as have the other CDP instructors, have communicated with Dave Burke about affiliating with IDPA, but we are going to make sure we have no problems with it, so it is going to take time if it does happen, but in the meantime, this is working out just fine for us, actually very well, we have 9 clubs involved and I think everyone is happy. I have nothing bad to say about the guys who shoot IDPA nor do I think they have anything against us. We are shooting the same thing, and the issues raised in this thread seem to be created by those who do not even shoot this dicipline.
 
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I shot an indoor IDPA sanctioned match at Pembroke Outdoor Sportsman Club.

One word - EXCELLENT!

SteveS, Pops, et al did an excellent job.

Great turn out.

Thanks guys.

IDPA pick up a lot more members.
 
Steve David said:
CDP .... is basically the same, but there are small change made to the IDPA rules so that we can accomadate shooters who are not 12(6) grandfathered...
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What is the problem with IDPA rules? The barrel length criteria for Stock Service Revolver (SSR) and Enhanced Service Revolver (ESR) Divisions? IDPA rules state that the maximum barrel length for those two divisions is 4.2". Getting out my trusty metric conversion calculator, that equals 106.68mm; almost two mm more than what is required by Canadian law. Furthermore, IDPA rules for SSR and ESR specifically allow 'Shortening of factory barrels'. Your reasoning doesn't hold up to scrutiny....
 
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Dragoon,

I did not know I was arguing, but thank you for pointing that out, your math is very good aswell, I never would have guessed that, oh wait you used a calculator.

By the way, who makes a 4.2" revolver? You would have to have a longer one cut down to be legal and most do not want to or cannot afford to spend the money, so we allow 6" barreled revolvers, that was my point, so I deeply appologize for using 12(6) as an example.

My point here was that IDPA does not allow 6" revovlers, we do, but that is not an issue, so why make one out of it?

The issue here was having to pay for it, and my point is, if you do not want to pay, then you do not have to play, we are here to have fun, no one I have shot with thus far has complained and we changed the rules in a very minor way so that a lot of people would not have to spend big $$$ to shoot.

We also allow the Uncle Mikes Kydex holter, IDPA does not becasue they feel that due it's offest backpiece, it causes too much space from the belt and the body. That is a stupid rule and we allow use of said holster. The holster works very well, is safe and is concealable, very affordable and readily available, so we allow it. Again, nothing major!

Again, my appologies for such iggnorance!
 
Wow, a happy CPD shooter, I'm speechless!

Para P-12 thanks for the pardon, aren't you one of the several happy shooters that uses an Uncle Mikes Kydex holster, for a Glock if I remember correctly?
 
That's correct Steve. I find it extremely comfortable, well made, ergonomically correct and economical; although economy was not the deciding factor.
By the way, if anyone is importing 4.2 inch barreled revolvers, please sign me up! I do have 12(6), but I really could go for one of those. Are they made by
Smith and Wesson, or Ruger or........???Can someone post any pics of production models?
 
Steve David said:
I disagree, we who shoot CDP are having a great time with no internal problems unlike was the case with IPSC.
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We (IPSC Canada) don't have any internal problems; we don't have any issues with international rules or organizations either, all are well in hand.
Please try to promote your sport based on its fine merits, (of which there are many) rather than by slamming another.
 
Not trying to slam IPSC at all. I was useing the internal probelsm that were there when I started shooting as an example of what we do not want to see happen in CDP. Those issues are over, and all are having fun in both diciplines, but my point is we are here to have fun, not fight and bring politics into the sport. We have several IPSC shooters come and shoot CDP and our shooters are welcome to go there, so it is a nice cross over and everyone gets along. On the rules, do we have problems with them, we only made minor changes to accomadate shooters in a specific division. It just bugs me when you get these poeple whining about paying this, and not wanting to shoot becasue of that, I am sure you guys have the same problem in IPSC, I know the guys in Ontario have them from time to time, but bottom line is, if they are going to complain about everything, then they do not have to shoot. Let's have fun while we can still do this.
 
Cool, thanks for clarifying that Steve.

Yes, we sure do get people upset about our training course costs. I just chalk it up to the fact that the person really isn't that interested and is using it as an excuse.
 
FV,

I just wanted to make sure you know were I stand. We are a pretty easy going bunch at our club in CDP, I do not tollerate crap, we are there to have fun as are the IPSC guys and I know they do not put up with BS either. That is what this is all about and that was my point from the first time I posted in this thread. If everyone is having fun, I am happy, is someone is not, I want to know why and deal with it, and if they do not want to pay to take the course, oh well then, nothing I can do.
 
Sorry that I didn't speak up earlier, Steve!

Much like IPSC has a need for the Black Badge course, I see that IDPA/CDP has a need for a training and qual course, too.

Since both entities involve the use of hot guns being holstered, it only makes sense from a safety standpoint to have a training course.

CSSA appears to be picking up the slack on this and the fee is NOT prohibitive. If there was an actual IDPA/CDP Canadian publication, Internationally recognized organization etc then the cost would be even more.
 
Hi Guys,
I am not sure what all the fuss is about. I am a CDP instructor and competitor, as well as an IDPA member and competitor. Our club has fired under CDP rules for some time and we frequent other CDP clubs for shoots. There are a few rules in IDPA that may seem a little out of touch but that is why they call them rules. As an officially affilliated IDPA club we have pledged to conform to their (our) rule book and we will. At our club we are recruiting members quickly and in the intrest of fun and sportsmanship we tell new guys to come out and try our guns and equipment before laying out cash for something they may not need. Popurhedoff is the best example of a shooter who is skilled and all the most expensive equipment in the word won't let you beat that bastard (sorry pops, got carried away there). Anyway what we should be looking out for is a united shooting disipline that allows us all to shoot together under one set of rules. Now there is CDP, IDPA, ODPA, and God knows what else. And since IDPA is already established and world recognized, why keep inventing the wheel. Not to mention the stealing of IP by directing people to download things of the IDPA website and the ramifications that will likely lead to. I don't care if I shoot under the IPPUFFRSSARTS os Canada as long as I'm shooting!

Steve
 
tritium,

I could not agree more, very well put.

As a matter of fact, Dave Burke has been talking with the instrucotrs about coming up with a course name as is the case with ISPC and the Black Badge course, all in time.

This is a new gig and I think we are moving along pretty well, you guys also seem to be doing well with IDAP.

That is what is most important.

Steve
 
Hi Earl

We just ran a IDPA match this weekend, lots of fun. We have 3 women shooting and a 13 year old all of whom are kicking ass and taking names. You know you are always welcome to shoot here and now that we have the indoor range sorted out we will be running skill and drill nights and weekends. Your input is always welcome. I have your IDPA application here and the beauty of that is once you pay for it you get all the training you can stand for free. Hope to see you at the next match, and you know you and the wife are always welcome to to stay at my place to avoid the late, bad weather, and tears in your eyes because you lost the match travel problems

Steve
 
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