Latest news on FN PS90 and FS2000
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Strangeday, powerguy...
I do apologize on the earlier comments. I was going off earlier conversations I had with several firearms dealers a from a while back. There was not much media coverage of this, so it was mostly word of mouth from dealer to dealer at the time.
They were fairly well informed but there is always some out of date info and speculation. At the time the guy was not in jail and they didn't think he would be (unless other firearms offenses or some serious fraud was involved, which turned out to be the case).
This was the kind of situation I was referring to in the text you guys quoted me on. A seller in America who was out of touch with his own export laws, a misinformed person at customs etc where the product got through. In other words no criminal intent from the buyer or seller. People who buy gun parts on ebay break these rules frequently and stuff slips through all the time...
It is a totally different story when a Canadian uses fraud to try and force something through as a way to beat the system. False customs declaration, identity fraud, etc. Blatantly criminal behavior.
So I do apologize for commenting in this thread before I found the later case was true. I simply shared the last info I had heard from what I considered a good source (Which turned out to be wrong and out of date lol). I had no intention of misleading anyone or encouraging criminal behavior.
I do apologize on the earlier comments. I was going off earlier conversations I had with several firearms dealers a from a while back. There was not much media coverage of this, so it was mostly word of mouth from dealer to dealer at the time.
They were fairly well informed but there is always some out of date info and speculation. At the time the guy was not in jail and they didn't think he would be (unless other firearms offenses or some serious fraud was involved, which turned out to be the case).
This was the kind of situation I was referring to in the text you guys quoted me on. A seller in America who was out of touch with his own export laws, a misinformed person at customs etc where the product got through. In other words no criminal intent from the buyer or seller. People who buy gun parts on ebay break these rules frequently and stuff slips through all the time...
It is a totally different story when a Canadian uses fraud to try and force something through as a way to beat the system. False customs declaration, identity fraud, etc. Blatantly criminal behavior.
So I do apologize for commenting in this thread before I found the later case was true. I simply shared the last info I had heard from what I considered a good source (Which turned out to be wrong and out of date lol). I had no intention of misleading anyone or encouraging criminal behavior.
Are those FS2000s and PS90s or the automatic variety?
The amount of mis-information is just amazing
There was no "loophole" and no "official who didn't know any better". As far as Canadian law is concerned the FS2000 and the PS90's are perfectly legal firearms. They are in the FRT... they are NOT prohibited so there is no issue with owning them. In fact we received IIC's to import the guns... that was never the issue.
The issue as far as importing them to Canada was that US State Department would NOT approve Export Permits for those guns for civilian end-users. They never did and were quite clear about it from the start. No legal way to export them from the US, not for sale to civilian end-users.
The US dealer who exported them knew exactly what he was doing and that he was exporting them without the required export licenses... but that's an issue for US law enforcement and they were quite lenient with the dealer (surprisingly so).
The problem for the Canadian who imported them was that he broke a number of Canadian laws in the process...
If you can find a source for them in Europe that isn't bound by an agreement with FN then you could import them from Europe... that's how the first couple got here... European dealer samples... but FN's got a pretty tight control on their dealers it appears.
Mark
your exactly right Questar there is alot of misinformation on here and alot of just plain rude and ignorant comments from people, some times the pissing matches get to be a little to much on here some people must think Canadian's are big mouthes and rude, i frequent a few forums in the USA,UK,and Australia and there does not seem to be nearly as close to as many petty little arguments
regards Neil
regards Neil
I would like to know a well.
Up until now the worst case of importer loophole abuse that I know of was was John Terence Lansdowne who ran "International Tactical Solutions" and/or "Lock and Load Armoury" in BC.
He was a Canadian dealer who abused his import permit to bring in normally unobtainable guns and deactivated guns as "movie props" and then selling them to the public. He bragged he could get 'Anything short of a missile launcher or a rocket launcher'.
Here is a photo of the "movie props" seized by the police:
Several of his "movie props" ended up in the hands of vancouver gangs, and they were traced back to him after a series of arrests and shootings. Several guns were traced back to him, and one of them used in a murder. They couldn't prove he was personally the one who reactivated the prop weapons, nor could they prove weather it was him or an employee who illegally sold the weapons to gangs under the table. He covered his tracks very well.
So what did this guy get for bringing in guns from America through an illegal loophole? And for (allegedly) selling those same guns to Vancouver gangs under the table? A murder weapon that entered the country under questionable circumstances was traced right to his doorstep. The police put together 12 weapon counts in total after a long investigation.
He was fined $500 (twice) and lost his license for 10 years. No jail.
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Anybody else want some?
Actually Landsdowns case wasn't the worst one.There was another where 2-3,000 guns were imported on a movie liscence and then "deactivated" and sold.Just another case of people not qualified for flim liscences abusing them.
Cancer we've been waiting for Fn 2000's for more than a year.We have had all the P 90's for ages.Everytime you see one on Stargate or Stagate Atlantis its one of ours.
Cancer we've been waiting for Fn 2000's for more than a year.We have had all the P 90's for ages.Everytime you see one on Stargate or Stagate Atlantis its one of ours.
Actually they were obviously qualified as they had the license. It is unfortunately another case of a dealer taking short cuts on license requirements. Many times these are unintentional, sometimes they are criminal. In the end everyone pays for it.
Up until now the worst case of importer loophole abuse that I know of was was John Terence Lansdowne who ran "International Tactical Solutions" and/or "Lock and Load Armoury" in BC.
Very interesting...
Met that guy a couple times at Abby gunshows...
He got permits to bring FA blank guns and let people fire em...for a fee...to bad to think he was arming gang bangers
***geeezus.....there is a Vickers in there....Waaaa***
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Currently that is correct the reasoning is that they are not deemed Sporting Arms under US Statutes
