Let's see some pic's of your SxS's & O/U's
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Supercub, glad to see you decided to send it off to Chris. You won't be sorry. But you will have to post the "after" pics.
And Chris, as I've already said to you, your son is a very, very lucky boy. Even if he doesn't realize just how lucky yet. That is such a beautiful gun.
And Chris, as I've already said to you, your son is a very, very lucky boy. Even if he doesn't realize just how lucky yet. That is such a beautiful gun.
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I'm not sure what route to go yet. Will have to wait for a more informed opinion. I would like to keep it close to factory original in appearance but have the chokes opened up.
Will do with the pics. I've been watching this thread for a while.
Well I guess I'll post a few myself,to keep you guys from waiting !..click on the photo for a close up
Thanks Chris for posting pictures of my fox, the workmanship of the gun is absolutely fantastic, Thanks to Chris and Christian Lemieux for that perfect piece of art, I’ll be posting pictures of the gun in the next couple of days in the Fox 20g pictures of the week, thanks John
Very nice piece Chris, You may have to built me one similar to this one,I guess its time I personally join in ...here's a little custom I built - with the help of my Quebecois friends, for my 13 year old son last year ,based on a LC.Smith featherweight ejector 20 gauge ...my son thinks the double triggers are the coolest thing !
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Got to start looking around for a good prospect in 20g or even better, a nice 410Johnny boy ...its a one of
to be honest I would suggest another maker for a base ...a Parker or Lefever would be my personal first choice
I just renew my membership, Pictures of the Fox are coming soon
No Ptarmigan ....a bird not often depicted on a gun ....but very close to the Newfoundland upland hunters heart
Londonshooter
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I really like that, Oberndorf. A lot alot.
The recent thread on the 'perfect upland gun' encouraged me to post this. After many years of searching on both sides of the Atlantic, I finally found my perfect grouse gun... A Charles William Lancaster 12-gauge under-lever centre-fire gun, possibly built as a base-fire, with the conical base-fire strikers replaced by normal centre-fire ones. Or it was built as-is to use the early Pottet/Boxer centre-fire cartridges. Or the Schneider/Daw cartridges. I’ll never know, as the Lancaster order book simply records it as a '12-bore under-lever centre-fire'. The damascus barrels have been nitro-proofed for 1 1/8 oz loads, and it has 2 1/2" chambers. Built before the days of choke, it is cylinder bore. It enjoys the new Challenger low-pressure 2 1/2" cartridges. I have a 14-gauge version of the gun, which some of you would have seen at the Fourth Double Gun Classic earlier this year.
This particular gun was built in 1864 for Colonel Sir Thales Pease KCB, and would have sold for 65 guineas, the highest-priced sporting gun of the London makers. The action is Lancaster’s 'slide-and-tilt' type, where the underlever moves the barrels forward before they can swing on the hinge. The action face is not at the normal 90 degree angle to the flats, instead it is at an acute angle, making for a very strong closure (undoubtedly it must have been difficult to make, with the hand tools of the day - only Lancaster made these). It has simple extractors, which belie their importance - this was the first British gun to have an extractor, an important first step towards the later ejectors. Nose-less hammers was a design flourish that Lancaster favoured, and the locks are non-rebounding.
As to the action design, there is much history. Albert Henry Marie Renette of Paris obtained two French patents for exterior-primed (capping breechloader) guns with slide-and-tilt actions in 1820, or seven years before Casimir Lefaucheux patented his hinge-action capping breechloading gun in 1827, which led the way to his pinfire invention in 1834. In 1853 Renette's son in law and partner, Louis Julien Gastinne, obtained French patent No. 9058 for this breech action on a hammer gun, intended to use inside-primed centerfire cartridges. The prolific patent agent Auguste Edouard Loradoux Bellford patented the design in Great Britain, patent No. 2778 of 1853. This is the patent that was later assigned to Charles Lancaster and used as the design for his base-fire cartridge, and the story behind ‘Charles Lancaster’s Patent’ marked on his guns – though the patent was never taken out in his name.
The end result is a beautifully balanced gun, with measurements that suit me. Ruffed grouse season is about to start, and Sir Pease’s Lancaster is ready for action.
This particular gun was built in 1864 for Colonel Sir Thales Pease KCB, and would have sold for 65 guineas, the highest-priced sporting gun of the London makers. The action is Lancaster’s 'slide-and-tilt' type, where the underlever moves the barrels forward before they can swing on the hinge. The action face is not at the normal 90 degree angle to the flats, instead it is at an acute angle, making for a very strong closure (undoubtedly it must have been difficult to make, with the hand tools of the day - only Lancaster made these). It has simple extractors, which belie their importance - this was the first British gun to have an extractor, an important first step towards the later ejectors. Nose-less hammers was a design flourish that Lancaster favoured, and the locks are non-rebounding.
As to the action design, there is much history. Albert Henry Marie Renette of Paris obtained two French patents for exterior-primed (capping breechloader) guns with slide-and-tilt actions in 1820, or seven years before Casimir Lefaucheux patented his hinge-action capping breechloading gun in 1827, which led the way to his pinfire invention in 1834. In 1853 Renette's son in law and partner, Louis Julien Gastinne, obtained French patent No. 9058 for this breech action on a hammer gun, intended to use inside-primed centerfire cartridges. The prolific patent agent Auguste Edouard Loradoux Bellford patented the design in Great Britain, patent No. 2778 of 1853. This is the patent that was later assigned to Charles Lancaster and used as the design for his base-fire cartridge, and the story behind ‘Charles Lancaster’s Patent’ marked on his guns – though the patent was never taken out in his name.
The end result is a beautifully balanced gun, with measurements that suit me. Ruffed grouse season is about to start, and Sir Pease’s Lancaster is ready for action.
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gunsaholic
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Very nice shotgun pinfire. I can only envision what it would be like to hunt with it!
Actually, this is a different gun... in 12 gauge. The one I brought to Oshawa was a 14 gauge, made in 1858. This one I can shoot with current 2 1/2” cartridges. Both guns are beautifully made. Finding a second Lancaster of this type, in a period case with some tools and accessories, was quite an unexpected surprise.
As soon as you mention 14g, it clicked. I hope you bring the pair of them out. Would be great to see them SxS (excuse the pun). You could always post a pic of you 14g so we can compare
