Let's talk AR triggers.

Geissele indeed. Pricey, but splurged on one for myself. The look of pure envy when the wife tried it told me I needed to buy a second one and I did.
 
If your current trigger is bad and heavy (seven pounds is just hideous), why not just get a NM Armalite or RRA trigger and drop that in - for that matter any decent factory trigger (Stag's are pretty nice) would be a step up for a few bucks.
 
I just installed my Geissele SSA trigger. HOLY CR@P! I didn't think it would be THAT smooth and THAT much of an improvement over the factory trigger. While I polished my factory trigger and it was relatively smooth (no gritty feel anymore) it was still pretty heavy. The Geissele breaks so cleanly! Wow! I did run into one hiccup installing it. For the life of me I was wondering why the heck I was having so much trouble installing the hammer assembly. I was trying for several minutes and could swear I had a defective one... then I realized that when I installed the trigger assembly, I had flipped the safety to safe. DUH!!

Damn, got so much spare parts from slowly upgrading the innards of my DD, I could almost build a complete lower! So THIS is how shooters end up getting more and more ARs. lol
 
P90Puma said:
It's the fastest, just be sure it's exactly what you want before buying it.

Only complaint:

It will fail to fire my .22LR upper about 1 round per ~100-150 rounds, that upper went a 6K streak of zero malfunctions with my factory trigger.
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Were you getting light primer strikes on the .22LR?
 
Trinimon said:
Were you getting light primer strikes on the .22LR?
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Yes.

Just to avoid confusion, my comments are directed to the SD-3G ONLY. I cannot speak for any other model.

I wish it was 100% (on .22LR, it is only any sort of .223/5.56) like my old trigger, but don't forget if you know what you are doing you can shoot this trigger faster than some fully automatic firearms cyclic rate.
 
Get the act trigger, as it is still mil spec with the goodness of Giselle. Competition triggre not for the "real world"
 
GunfighterAlpha said:
Personally, I like running the stock triggers in my "run and gun" AR's and a match trigger in DMR AR. The stock trigger affects accuracy at greater distances ofc. I dunno, I like a heavy pull so I can prep for the shot and not risk a ND. Many people call me retarded for this but it works for me lol.
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While I don't mind my stock trigger, as it's fairly decent, the weight leaves something to be desired for sure, I think the ALG ACT would be a nice step up from stock, without spending too much, on say the Geissele SD-C. But I do like the idea of a 2-stage match trigger in my DMR, it was a "budget build" so I really don't want to go too overboard with it.

Trinimon said:
Damn, got so much spare parts from slowly upgrading the innards of my DD, I could almost build a complete lower! So THIS is how shooters end up getting more and more ARs. lol
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LOL... welcome to the world of ARs? I know what you mean, I bought a stock 16" AR and was very happy with it, and still am... but slowly updated parts.... and eventually I had enough parts that all I needed was a few more and I'd have a full AR.... so I did that, now I have a new DMR as well :)

While we're on the discussion of triggers... I've always wondered about the various shapes. Stock triggers and a lot of the after-market triggers are curved for the contour of your finger.

i.e:
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However, I've seen some after-market triggers being straight

i.e:
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Just really wondering what the benefit of having a relatively straight trigger, compared to the curved trigger... I've seen them on 1911's too...
 
justinchow said:
While I don't mind my stock trigger, as it's fairly decent, the weight leaves something to be desired for sure, I think the ALG ACT would be a nice step up from stock, without spending too much, on say the Geissele SD-C. But I do like the idea of a 2-stage match trigger in my DMR, it was a "budget build" so I really don't want to go too overboard with it.
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The ALG does nothing to reduce the trigger pull. It's essentially a nicely tuned stock trigger. It may feel smoother but it will remain essentially the same weight. It's ideal for those wanting to improve the feel but keep the reliability of the stock design. A good option for those who shoot service rifle since trigger pull must be above 5.5lbs.
 
You need to make a couple of decision

First do you want single or two stage.

Single Stage

If you are use to hunting rifles etc that have good single stage , then buy a good single stage . I have a CMC single and it works fine . Its seen many thousands or rounds in a blowback 9mm and every few hundred rounds I just clean the inside of the cassette

Two Stage "AR Style"

These are very common and are available form numerous mfg .
This is the traditional AR style 2 stage

- Heavier first stage then lighter 2nd stage

Best of the bunch are the Geissele Hi Speed . Mine came with 3 springs so I can set up all of the below .

Key feature of the Hi Speed is that it is adjustable

Pull Weight Match
■First Stage: 1.3 – 3 pounds (2 pound nominal)
■Second Stage: 4 to 14 ounces

Pull Weights: Service
■First Stage: 3.2 – 5 pounds (4 pound nominal)
■Second Stage: 0.5 to 1.5 pounds

Pull Weights: DMR
■First Stage: 1.3 - 3 pounds (2 pound nominal)
■Second Stage: 0.5 to 1.5 pounds


Other Geissles are non adjustable
Geissle SSA - like 2 stage with 2.5 first then 2 lb 2nd . I actually prefer this unit now over the Hi Speed unless its a "bench gun"

Geissle Super Dynamic 3 Gun ( flat bow ) or Super 3 Gun ( curved bow ) - this trigger starts moving at about 3 lbs and after some movement it just breaks....NO 2nd Stage . Personally I don't like this since it is unlike any of my bolt / ar guns . I ended up removing mine and replacing with more traditional SSA . I will say, unlike a bad bolt gun that has creep before break , the movement has no percieved change in pull weight...its very smooth

Bottom line with the AR style 2 stage - this style with heavier 1st stage is completely opposite of most precision 2 stage rifle triggers. For example, me AI and Sako TRG has super duper light 1st stage ( few oz ) then you hit the "full " pull weight of a couple lbs. Since I am very use to this, I find the AR style 2 stage odd

2 stage like Precision Rifle
The only trigger I know of is the American Trigger Gold . This trigger to me is far more similar to my bolt guns, where there is 6 oz first stage, then the much harder 3lb 2ns stage . I love this trigger in my bench ARs . I have a habit , due to my AI and Sako to just pull till I hit 2ns stage ...where I know it won't just "let go" , do my final adjustment, then finish through with 2ns stage

To argue that the Geissle is better or worst than the American Trigger Gold is silly since they are very different style triggers ....although similar total pull weight.

Bottom Line

There is significant difference between heavy 1st and lighter 2nd vs super light 1st and heavy 2nd style.

The style that is best for you is dictated by what you are use to . If you do not have a precision rifle with 2 stage ( lighter 1st stage ) , then go with the AR style 2 stage

There are a plethora of trigger you can choose in this style

IMO if you are on a budget, the best is the RRA 2 stage . If you want to spend more $$ and you want adjustabillity then go with the Geissle Hi Speed . The Hi speed sometimes takes fitting into the selector . Very easy to do and well explained in manual

The reason you may want adjustability, is you can actually turn up the 2nd stage where it is very similar to 1st stage, or have the 2nd stage so so light that it only take less than 5oz to break !

Sorry to be so long winded.....Its a very slow work day today
 
I see an overwhelming recommendation for the Geisselle trigger.

Can someone explain what it is about the mechanics and action of the Geisselle design that will cure the OP's issue with trigger reset?

Thanks
 
TRG-42 said:
You need to make a couple of decision

First do you want single or two stage.

Single Stage

If you are use to hunting rifles etc that have good single stage , then buy a good single stage . I have a CMC single and it works fine . Its seen many thousands or rounds in a blowback 9mm and every few hundred rounds I just clean the inside of the cassette...
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Where did you get your CMC trigger from?
 
TRG-42, thank you very much for your informative post. I had already made my decision to get a two stage trigger but your post was very good. I have a course in less than a month, and not a lot of range time in between so I think I'll keep my stock trigger for now.

I think the ALG-ACT may be what I'm looking for...though the SSA would be nice.....
 
Clobbersauras said:
TRG-42, thank you very much for your informative post. I had already made my decision to get a two stage trigger but your post was very good. I have a course in less than a month, and not a lot of range time in between so I think I'll keep my stock trigger for now.

I think the ALG-ACT may be what I'm looking for...though the SSA would be nice.....
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I've just finished installing my new ALG-ACT trigger assembly from CTC. I wasn't expecting a dramatic improvement from my stock DPMS trigger, but what a pleasant surprise!!
The ALG trigger has very little creep, breaking cleanly and consistently. I don't have a trigger pull gauge (lent it out and never saw it again), but it feels about the same as the original DPMS trigger, which is probably around 5.5 lbs...maybe a bit less. It doesn't feel as heavy as that, quite honestly, because it is soooooo smooth.
Very pleased, can't wait to try it out on the range!
 
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