Leupold warranty

New Camper said:
Middle of the country: there are hills, forests, lakes, swamps to miles of fields. I've pitted it against big game in those places and never been disappointed. When you wander outside that criteria, you begin specializing: low magnification, brush. High magnification, long distance varmints: when you factor in size and mass, that small scope makes sense trudging around the mountains. But yes, a fit, excellent shooter capable of humanely shooting a goat over 500y on a mountain hike will already be carrying a heavier 7mm Mag and want a 10x40mm. For comparison, WW2 snipers were using <6x magnification... the soviet PU was a mere 3.5x21 straight tube.

Unfortunately - except older second hand, budget optics are made in the PRC. Simmons used to offer a decent scope that was made in the Philippines... looks like they make crap now. You'll have to do some shopping and look over labels to see. I haven't bought a new scope in years. I'd start looking at Bushnell (some models are still made in Japan) and Burris Signature. Read the boxes and check the scope for country of origin (usually on the bottomside of the turret area.) Japan, you should be pleased; Philippines most likely. Some decent stuff escapes from the PRC, but I'm always skeptical and just avoid it... had a few bad experiences with junk. Leupold doesn't make the VX 1, 2 anymore and the 3HD is just outside your price range. If you get lucky, you might find a new old stock VX1, 2, 3.

Leupold VX3hd just falls outside of your budget: I am skeptical of the cheaper "Freedom" line. I believe some of the Bushnell scopes are still made in Japan, and the Burris Signature might be made in Philippines. Verify though... I haven't bought a new scope in a few years. Bought one chicom scope that flopped, some came on rifles I bought years ago and they were discarded for reliability issues. Vortex makes a Viper HS 2.5-10x44 that is in your budget: I bought one ten years ago which was made in Philippines - a decent optic. Unfortunately it's cheaper now which is dubious, so check. I just avoid chicom scopes for sake of avoiding crap... I'm sure there are some decent offerings, I just don't know what they are.
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Do you think the lower end leupold spotter aren’t that great either ? They are china aswell..
 
Proshow said:
Do you think the lower end leupold spotter aren’t that great either ? They are china aswell..
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I don't know. I bought porro-prism binoculars from Leupold... found they were made in China after. They've been fine and it's been four years if that's any ruler to measure by... they're very clear and comfortable to stare through.
 
New Camper said:
Middle of the country: there are hills, forests, lakes, swamps to miles of fields. I've pitted it against big game in those places and never been disappointed. When you wander outside that criteria, you begin specializing: low magnification, brush. High magnification, long distance varmints: when you factor in size and mass, that small scope makes sense trudging around the mountains. But yes, a fit, excellent shooter capable of humanely shooting a goat over 500y on a mountain hike will already be carrying a heavier 7mm Mag and want a 10x40mm. For comparison, WW2 snipers were using <6x magnification... the soviet PU was a mere 3.5x21 straight tube.

Unfortunately - except older second hand, budget optics are made in the PRC. Simmons used to offer a decent scope that was made in the Philippines... looks like they make crap now. You'll have to do some shopping and look over labels to see. I haven't bought a new scope in years. I'd start looking at Bushnell (some models are still made in Japan) and Burris Signature. Read the boxes and check the scope for country of origin (usually on the bottomside of the turret area.) Japan, you should be pleased; Philippines most likely. Some decent stuff escapes from the PRC, but I'm always skeptical and just avoid it... had a few bad experiences with junk. Leupold doesn't make the VX 1, 2 anymore and the 3HD is just outside your price range. If you get lucky, you might find a new old stock VX1, 2, 3.

Leupold VX3hd just falls outside of your budget: I am skeptical of the cheaper "Freedom" line. I believe some of the Bushnell scopes are still made in Japan, and the Burris Signature might be made in Philippines. Verify though... I haven't bought a new scope in a few years. Bought one chicom scope that flopped, some came on rifles I bought years ago and they were discarded for reliability issues. Vortex makes a Viper HS 2.5-10x44 that is in your budget: I bought one ten years ago which was made in Philippines - a decent optic. Unfortunately it's cheaper now which is dubious, so check. I just avoid chicom scopes for sake of avoiding crap... I'm sure there are some decent offerings, I just don't know what they are.
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My eyes are getting tired, but with good glass, Ive had zero issues on a Zeiss 1-6, and S&B short dot 1-8 on a animal at 600 yards, no Ive never pulled the trigger in my own ethics bounds, but clear as day and with a proper bullet and cartridge I wouldn't hesitate. the rule of 1x times 100 yards does still work and apply, However to your own eyes and the glass....we are spoiled these days with massive power optics. personally if hunting and not punching paper, chasing groups, the 2-10,2-12,3-10,3-9 is more than enough 400-500 yards. (Ive shot matches with a 2-10 out to 800 yards quite fine) would more mag be better, YOU bet it would. but im also a weight snob.

Im not and never will be a Leopold guy, Ive had so many of the older Gen vx2-3 line and zero issues very simple and incredible optics. However I do think their new lower end lines suffer. the high end lines are amazing at $$$$ but to compare a old gen vx3 to one of their sub 1000$ "hunting" scopes as same same... ya I don't think so. like trucks, appliances etc everything in life quality has gone downhill with everything, to a degree. but the mark 4-5 Line is amazing if you got the $$

I will say however I bought 2, used not sure on age Swarovski z3 4-12 that both had turret issues, I filed a request as used
they sent me postage to fix, I got both back cleaned fixed and looked over at zero cost. I was amazed, I cant speak more highly of them.
and they dont even offer close to the same warranty but they def stand behind their stuff.

If you don't need turrets id say the Z3 line is perfect.

Just my 02c

cheers, fellas!
 
s3xspert11 said:
My eyes are getting tired, but with good glass, Ive had zero issues on a Zeiss 1-6, and S&B short dot 1-8 on a animal at 600 yards, no Ive never pulled the trigger in my own ethics bounds, but clear as day and with a proper bullet and cartridge I wouldn't hesitate. the rule of 1x times 100 yards does still work and apply, However to your own eyes and the glass....we are spoiled these days with massive power optics. personally if hunting and not punching paper, chasing groups, the 2-10,2-12,3-10,3-9 is more than enough 400-500 yards. (Ive shot matches with a 2-10 out to 800 yards quite fine) would more mag be better, YOU bet it would. but im also a weight snob.

Im not and never will be a Leopold guy, Ive had so many of the older Gen vx2-3 line and zero issues very simple and incredible optics. However I do think their new lower end lines suffer. the high end lines are amazing at $$$$ but to compare a old gen vx3 to one of their sub 1000$ "hunting" scopes as same same... ya I don't think so. like trucks, appliances etc everything in life quality has gone downhill with everything, to a degree. but the mark 4-5 Line is amazing if you got the $$

I will say however I bought 2, used not sure on age Swarovski z3 4-12 that both had turret issues, I filed a request as used
they sent me postage to fix, I got both back cleaned fixed and looked over at zero cost. I was amazed, I cant speak more highly of them.
and they dont even offer close to the same warranty but they def stand behind their stuff.

If you don't need turrets id say the Z3 line is perfect.

Just my 02c

cheers, fellas!
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I have a z5 swaro rifle scope and it’s nice . Also very light .
I’m looking for recommendations on a decent spotting scope that’s all. I can’t afford another swaro lol I think they cost even more then the rifle scope to boot
 
Warranty is great, product is mediocre at best. The older set and forget models are known to be the better models but the VX1, freedom, and new VX3HD are low quality, don't track well, zero shifts often enough. This is coming from a guy that was a diehard leupold fan, I've since sold most of them and replaced them with scopes that are actually reliable like Trijicon and S&B.....warranty may be limited on them but at least you know they hold up better.
 
s3xspert11 said:
My eyes are getting tired, but with good glass, Ive had zero issues on a Zeiss 1-6, and S&B short dot 1-8 on a animal at 600 yards, no Ive never pulled the trigger in my own ethics bounds, but clear as day and with a proper bullet and cartridge I wouldn't hesitate. the rule of 1x times 100 yards does still work and apply, However to your own eyes and the glass....we are spoiled these days with massive power optics. personally if hunting and not punching paper, chasing groups, the 2-10,2-12,3-10,3-9 is more than enough 400-500 yards. (Ive shot matches with a 2-10 out to 800 yards quite fine) would more mag be better, YOU bet it would. but im also a weight snob.

Im not and never will be a Leopold guy, Ive had so many of the older Gen vx2-3 line and zero issues very simple and incredible optics. However I do think their new lower end lines suffer. the high end lines are amazing at $$$$ but to compare a old gen vx3 to one of their sub 1000$ "hunting" scopes as same same... ya I don't think so. like trucks, appliances etc everything in life quality has gone downhill with everything, to a degree. but the mark 4-5 Line is amazing if you got the $$

I will say however I bought 2, used not sure on age Swarovski z3 4-12 that both had turret issues, I filed a request as used
they sent me postage to fix, I got both back cleaned fixed and looked over at zero cost. I was amazed, I cant speak more highly of them.
and they dont even offer close to the same warranty but they def stand behind their stuff.

If you don't need turrets id say the Z3 line is perfect.

Just my 02c

cheers, fellas!
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Pretty much my sentiments. I do miss the old Bushnell Elites, Leupold VX1,2,3, Nikon Monarchs, Zeiss Conquest scopes... even the Terra was nice. Swarovski is expensive but nice. I've never pulled the trigger on a Schmidt and Bender... a whole other price league. But I'll take a Nightforce.

Colonel Cooper told a story about an Israeli tank - apparently the aiming optics had a high magnification so when the tank had a close quarters engagement, the gunner had difficulty aiming since the sight picture was just full of enemy tank, no particular vulnerable point to discern. He compared that to most guys now who plunk their dollars down for large, heavy over magnified and expensive glass. I read that probably back in the late '90s and he was right. Using the heavy target scopes on targets, it's obvious they are not well suited to hunting: you're screwed if you jump a deer at close distance. 2-8x, 3-10x... <45mm objective is more than enough scope for hunting. I used to shoot skeet on occasion, with a combination gun topped with a 2-7x33 Nikon: set on 2x, it really wasn't fair for the skeet but it felt funny doing it especially as it dawned on me that this would be the formula for an older guy who's sight was dimming: most of us will be old guys some day, it's important to remember these adaptations.
 
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