Lever action AR15?

Eric_911 said:
Alright, here's my photoshop mockup. Obviously easier said than created in the real world, but just mocked up to stimulate discussion.

So the idea is as follows: Single shot straight pull action, using a Remington 870 trigger group (just for shts&giggles) Gas system is blocked, or non-existant altogether. There is no capability to feed with a mag, it is single shot through the ejection port only.

-Pull the bolt back after every shot, and it locks to the rear.
-Insert fresh cartridge
-Depress the bolt catch to let the bolt go forward
-Forward assist if thats your cup of tea
-Fire, and repeat.

IMHO, since the AR15 upper is not classified as a firearm, a compatible lower receiver which shares no common mode of operation at all and no commonality of parts in the fire control group can't conceivably be classified as restricted.

Looks a little like the Cali-AR15's you see out there......

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That looks fantastically uncomfortable to hold.
 
There was a pump action AR15? seriously? anyone have any pics of that? I wouldnt mind seeing what it looks like
 
srnm said:
There was a pump action AR15? seriously? anyone have any pics of that? I wouldnt mind seeing what it looks like
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Until the Angels Fall said:
Not really...its a pump rifle thats black, in .223Rem and takes AR-15 mags...Remington made it. Remington 7600 or 760 I believe?
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Nope, there was an actual pump AR15 that was made also. Like said previously, it was DLASK that built it I believe. (I dont have pics, but someone out there does i'm sure)

ATRS attempted a few NR lowers built specifically for .50 uppers. Not sure how they faired.
 
Eric_911 said:
Nope, there was an actual pump AR15 that was made also. Like said previously, it was DLASK that built it I believe. (I dont have pics, but someone out there does i'm sure)

ATRS attempted a few NR lowers built specifically for .50 uppers. Not sure how they faired.
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http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/3000/3069.htm

the P.A.C. 5 is the Dlask one.
 
Huh... thats just it.... Look at all the rifles above. The lowers are all pretty much standard or lightly converted AR Lowers. The lower being the controlled part of the firearm in Canada, wouldnt it make sense to make darastic changes to the lower, and not funky changes to the upper?
 
Eric_911 said:
What I really want is any type of non-restricted lower which will accommodate an AR15 upper.
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Non-restricted and able to take an AR15 upper are mutually exclusive features. You cannot have one with the other. The RCMP have declared any firearm that fires even a single bullet from an unmodified AR15 upper is itself an AR15 variant. Full stop. No argument. End of discussion.

ATRS went so far as to build a lower receiver with no mag well and you couldn't close an AR15 upper completely and lock it. The RCMP duct taped them together and were able to get one shot off. Instant AR15 variant.

I'm sorry it took three pages for anyone with this basic knowledge to chime in and crush your dreams.
 
Armedsask said:
The RCMP have declared any firearm that fires even a single bullet from an unmodified AR15 upper is itself an AR15 variant. Full stop. No argument. End of discussion.

I'm sorry it took three pages for anyone with this basic knowledge to chime in and crush your dreams.
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No dreams crushed. I'm certain a similar discussion has happened before somewhere deep in the bowels of CGN.

Good info. So what do you think a "modified" AR upper would entail?

-Take-down holes in a different place....
-Different diameter holes...
-Thicker width of the blocks where the takedown holes are, so that the modder upper cannot be installed on a standard AR Lower?
 
I would suggest that the only possible modification to an AR upper would be to completely remove the lugs, and assemble it to a non-AR fire control group with screws, like a conventional bolt action rifle.
As Armedsask has pointed out, the variation classifiaction is a broad one.
 
Eric_911 said:
No dreams crushed. I'm certain a similar discussion has happened before somewhere deep in the bowels of CGN.

Good info. So what do you think a "modified" AR upper would entail?

-Take-down holes in a different place....
-Different diameter holes...
-Thicker width of the blocks where the takedown holes are, so that the modder upper cannot be installed on a standard AR Lower?
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The upper would have to be made unable to function on a standard AR15 lower.

However, as you may have started from an AR15 upper, they could still get you.

I've often wondered if a firearm that uses all the same internal components but its external completely incompatible, would be a variant.
 
Well, you have been around the block with the 180B. If a 180B, with its slightly different lower, is not a variant of a 180, there might be the possibility of using an AR type upper (incompatible with an AR lower), with a unique lower.
 
Armedsask said:
I've often wondered if a firearm that uses all the same internal components but its external completely incompatible, would be a variant.
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Kinda what I'm working towards.... An incompatible upper, by virtue of dimensional differences in the takedown hole placement and thickness, and an AR-incompatible lower, with a different FCG.
 
The current production AR10 type rifles have very little parts compatibility with AR15 rifles, yet are variants. I don't know if a different FCG would do it. If one of the new AR10s used the FCG of an original AR10, would it still be a variant?

Reminds me of a story from the civil rights era.

The state had a literacy requirement for voting.
Black guy goes in to register to vote.
Clerk hands him a Chinese newspaper, asks him if he can read it.
"Sure can."
"What does it say?"
"Says I'm not voting in this election."

Successfully working around the variant situation might be the same sort of struggle.
 
Eric_911 said:
Kinda what I'm working towards.... An incompatible upper, by virtue of dimensional differences in the takedown hole placement and thickness, and an AR-incompatible lower, with a different FCG.
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Then it wouldn't be an AR, would it? At that point you may as well buy an XCR, AR180B, Tavor or other non-restricted black rifle and carry on.


Mark
 
Eric_911 said:
Kinda what I'm working towards.... An incompatible upper, by virtue of dimensional differences in the takedown hole placement and thickness, and an AR-incompatible lower, with a different FCG.
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at this point you really need to stop and think what is it about an AR you want so bad?

sound like you might have a easier time just take a lever action bolt on a set of railed fore end and adjustable stock, similar to a MD-21 chasis.
 
na1lb0hm said:
OP, i think ATRS?? went through something like this with one of their uppers (or lowers, can't remember) Hopefully another member with a better memory can chime in on this.
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IIRC it was a dedicated lower for teh 50 cal single shot uppers. No magwell, no buffer tube but the lab managed to jury-rig it into firing a single shot from an AR upper.

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