Liberals looking at all out handgun/assault rifle ban!

Just remember guys, the Charter of rights and freedoms prevents the seizure of lawfully attained property, they cant seize them, at best they could try to grandfather them out like they did with the prohibs last time, and it would be political suicide, and they don't have the time to form legislation, have it pass twice in the house and senate, then committee, then have it ascend to power, I really think its all just posturing. This is in some ways good news on the political front because it basically assures they don't form another government considering how low they are in the polls now, and even 60-70 liberal seats were concerned last year asking their own party not to do this.


Im not saying its actually good news im just saying it may have already sunk their already low chances of forming another government in 19
 
squidxm said:
My guess is it wouldnt be too difficult. There is already a restricted registry. If you don’t voluntarily hand them in you are in possession of an illegal firearm are now 1) wanted by police and 2) dont get your PAL renewed. My guess is the majority of people (no matter how tough and “from my cold dead hands” they talk) will hand these firearms in to still have the ability to keep their .22 plinkers. It would be harder to ban non-restricteds. Or even harder, banning the illegal unregistered guns in possession by criminals *gasp*
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Yes they will win unless we act and keep hounding them with letters, phone calls, and personal visits.
 
Raspern said:
Just remember guys, the Charter of rights and freedoms prevents the seizure of lawfully attained property, they cant seize them, at best they could try to grandfather them out like they did with the prohibs last time, and it would be political suicide, and they don't have the time to form legislation, have it pass twice in the house and senate, then committee, then have it ascend to power, I really think its all just posturing. This is in some ways good news on the political front because it basically assures they don't form another government considering how low they are in the polls now, and even 60-70 liberal seats were concerned last year asking their own party not to do this.


Im not saying its actually good news im just saying it may have already sunk their already low chances of forming another government in 19
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We don't have property rights in Canada. Period. The government can take your stuff without compensation. Sad but true.
 
Bfranklin said:
If this happens mass non-compliance will be the best form of action. To comply is to surrender. But to each their own.

The comments on the CBC article are troubling. The brain-washing of the average Canadian is almost complete.
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CBC will disable most comments they don't agree with or that don't conform to their agenda, they are among the worst proprietors of censorship. They are also famous for showing pictures of Pellet guns and non restricted's and calling them assault weapons because they look scary.
 
DRE67 said:
We don't have property rights in Canada. Period. The government can take your stuff without compensation. Sad but true.
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We sure do, the Charter of rights and freedoms explicitly prevents the seizure of legally acquired property. The only province this wont apply is Quebec as they never signed on to the Charter.
 
Just another distraction. This is your tax dollars at work, paying opportunists pretend they are running the country by putting on a tv show that pushes your buttons to keep you distracted.
 
well it is not that much of surprise, they are LIBERALS after all. So I would like to know how many gun-owners actually voted for lil boi Trudy? I know of a couple who seem to be unable to put 2 and 2 together to get 4 ... so how many voted for a diminution of their 'rights'
 
Raspern said:
We sure do, the Charter of rights and freedoms explicitly prevents the seizure of legally acquired property. The only province this wont apply is Quebec as they never signed on to the Charter.
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I hate to argue with a fellow gun owner, but the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms does not explicitly protect property rights. Besides, there is always section 33 the "notwithstanding clause" which basically means they can remove your rights whenever they feel like it. Unlike our neighbors to the south, we Canadians don't really have rights. We are granted privileges by the ruling class. We don't have the right to own firearms. It's a privilege. It can be taken away with the stoke of a pen whenever the ruling class decides to make it so.

http://propertyrightsguide.ca/are-property-rights-protected-in-canadian-law/

PRIVATE PROPERTY AND THE CHARTER
The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms does not directly protect property rights. The Charter was enacted as part of the Constitution Act, 1982, which affirmed the Constitution as the supreme law of Canada and provided that any law that is inconsistent with the Constitution is of no force or effect. The Charter guarantees certain individual rights against intrusion by the state and gives the courts the power to provide a remedy to anyone whose Charter rights are denied. For example, section 7 of the Charter reads:

Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of the person and the right not to be deprived thereof except in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice.

If property rights had been included in the Charter, certain laws restricting or removing property rights would be unconstitutional, and the courts would have been able to strike them down. But property rights were deliberately excluded from the Charter (the reasons for this omission are subject to some debate that cannot be summarized adequately in this guide), and subsequent proposals to amend the Charter by adding protection for private property have not been successful.
 
Basically that's how I feel about most of the political theatre too.

Still worth sending a few letters though. Send a strong message that this wouldn't fly if they really were thinking of implementing it.

On a side note, this article came out an hour after I put one of my pistols on the EE. Pretty bad timing now that there'll probably be a bunch of panic sellers.
 
660 news in Calgary has a poll on their websit if Canada should implement a handgun ban and so far the yes are outweighing the no’s. It’s on the bottom of the webpage if you want to take the poll.
 
So yes, it's unfortunate that this is being looked into, but right now I feel like it's unlikely that this study will result in much happening in terms of an actual ban.
I find it odd that he put Bill Blair in charge. Bill Blair as recently as last week said banning guns is not the solution, and that we should avoid any swift action like this. He is very clearly on the side of coming down hard on organized crime & our border services to make it harder for illegal guns to make it into Canada.

Honestly, I may be giving Trudeau too much credit here, but what do we think the outcome will be if the Minister of Organized Crime Reduction & Border Services looks at a gun ban? Banning guns for legal owners will not help someone who's in charge of these services. Actually, NOT banning these guns and putting more emphasis on reduction of crime & stronger border security re: bringing guns across the border would be a huge win for someone like Bill Blair. He'd get a ton more funding if a handgun & assault weapon ban didn't go into effect.

Maybe I'm totally missing something here, but if I were Trudeau, the only reason I'd ask Bill Blair to be the guy behind the study was if deep down I knew a ban wouldn't make sense, but because a ton of his supporters are asking for one, he had to do his due diligence. With that, Trudeau can come out and say "No. Bill Blair says most guns come across the border, and organized crime groups aren't going to listen to a gun ban. We're going to invest more in organized crime reduction instead" But his supporters still know he at least considered the ban.

If this study goes the way I'm thinking it will, in the long run, this study may ultimately be a win for us. Last week we were all talking about how there's no data on how many crime guns come from within Canada. Maybe this study is going to help give us some more insight on this, and then, if the study is listened to, give us more ammunition to fight back on a ban or maybe completely alliterative the thought from the Liberals agenda.
 
I wouldn't worry about a Ban too much,,the Libtards are just blowing smoke to appease their anti-gun woosies happy,they wont be able to do ####,and IF the Libtard were to try and implement a Ban.you can bet that there will be 1000's of owners filling out destruction of firearms forms saying they destroyed them themselves,leaving the government with zero recourse,it's perfectly legal to destroy your own firearms,you just need to inform them,so all they'll be left with,is hoping they were really destroyed,one thing a ban will DEFINITELY do is,increase greatly the amount of black market guns,and Canada having the longest unprotected land border in the world,there's not much of a problem bringing anything into the country,not to mention about the only thing they would get in a confiscation situation is a tiny piece of metal with a serial number,it would piss them off royally not knowing where the rest of the gun is and the fact they dont have the right to ask for anything more,LOL
 
This is a big distraction to take the focus of what could really be nasty for trudo and his boys.
The fact that he will lose a lot of the dairy market to the US is a lot more important for them lieberals.
For once Trump is usefull for us. :popCorn:
 
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