Liberals passing the buck..

Cameron SS said:
So they will take our money but don't want to be seen with us in public. Classy.
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I didn't say that they wouldn't be seen in public with us. The only stipulation is that they will not be bought as supporters and the model that we discussed was what the CMHA did to address disproportionate numbers of suicides amongst junior hockey players who were away from home and facing the stress of an NHL draft.

Google "Ontario minor hockey CMHA suicide" and you'll get plenty of hits. That is, if you want to do more than just snipe at my postings?

By the way, how did the current approach to pushing back on C-17 work for you? I saw it as a predictable, textbook, abject failure as it has been for the last 25 years and longer. Only it's getting worse, not better.

So what's you're plan to stop the train?
 
scout_289 said:
I didn't say that they wouldn't be seen in public with us. The only stipulation is that they will not be bought as supporters and the model that we discussed was what the CMHA did to address disproportionate numbers of suicides amongst junior hockey players who were away from home and facing the stress of an NHL draft.

Google "Ontario minor hockey CMHA suicide" and you'll get plenty of hits. That is, if you want to do more than just snipe at my postings?

By the way, how did the current approach to pushing back on C-17 work for you? I saw it as a predictable, textbook, abject failure as it has been for the last 25 years and longer. Only it's getting worse, not better.

So what's you're plan to stop the train?
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I will try. Nothing will currently work.

They are not interested in listening. The solution is 2019, and the defeat of the liberals. Shortly after the RCMP is replaced on the firearm file.

Might not be popular, but with our current political reality this is all us "Thugs " can expect. To suggest anything other than the replacement of the liberals is disingenuous, unrealistic, naive, or just plain trolling.
 
scout_289 said:
By the way, how did the current approach to pushing back on C-17 work for you? I saw it as a predictable, textbook, abject failure as it has been for the last 25 years and longer. Only it's getting worse, not better.

So what's you're plan to stop the train?
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Is this a snipe?

I presume you mean C-71. The bill is not even at 3rd reading yet. Hard to call the approach a failure when it is about 30% through the total process and so far the opposition has been overwhelming. The liberals heard 31 witnesses and received 100 briefs, substantially more than any routine bill of its type would typically garner. The response from the gun community has been louder, more organized, and more noticed by parliamentarians than any other gun bill since c68 itself. Oneclearvoice nearly brought email communication at the ministers officer to a halt. And yes this is worse? Worse than what?

There are only 8 sitting days in the current session before parliament rises for the summer break. The likelihood that this bill will pass the house before then is low, and even if it did they would still have to clear the senate, and then get royal assent. The overwhelming opposition to this bill has delayed its progress significantly, and the senate will be very weary that the commons committee heard 29 witnesses and over 90 briefs whose submissions were completely ignored, and specifically the government has completely failed to substantiate or validate any of the claims they have made in supporting this bill.

But sure, by all means, call it a failure.
 
the only way to fix crimes is to punish them hard, right now the crown makes deals throwing away most charges just to get a conviction, so in sense plea bargain charges away. Our legal system is a joke compared to the US system.
C-71 won't fix #### on the streets. personally I like the 3 strike rule some US states have. you do the crime your going to do the time.
 
Brocolt said:
the only way to fix crimes is to punish them hard, right now the crown makes deals throwing away most charges just to get a conviction, so in sense plea bargain charges away. Our legal system is a joke compared to the US system.
C-71 won't fix #### on the streets. personally I like the 3 strike rule some US states have. you do the crime your going to do the time.
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Lol. The 3 strike rule bankrupted the california prison system and not only did it see more serious violent offenders on the streets than before, but it actually caused a dramatic rise of law enforcement officer deaths in the line of duty.

PS, the crown plea bargains away all those charges because the police over charge people in the first place, and if the crown doesn't drop them, the judge will toss them out in the first five minutes anyways.

The worst part about the criminal justice system is how the vast majority of Canadians are completely and utterly ignorant of how it works.

And that includes parliamentarians. I can't decide if its funny or sad how many times members of the SECU Security Committee reviewing C71 had to consult legal experts because they had no idea how the firearms act functioned, what the requirements were, how the CFP works, or even the most basic aspects of how licenses are issued or guns are classified.
 
Cameron SS said:
Is this a snipe?

I presume you mean C-71. The bill is not even at 3rd reading yet. Hard to call the approach a failure when it is about 30% through the total process and so far the opposition has been overwhelming. The liberals heard 31 witnesses and received 100 briefs, substantially more than any routine bill of its type would typically garner. The response from the gun community has been louder, more organized, and more noticed by parliamentarians than any other gun bill since c68 itself. Oneclearvoice nearly brought email communication at the ministers officer to a halt. And yes this is worse? Worse than what?

There are only 8 sitting days in the current session before parliament rises for the summer break. The likelihood that this bill will pass the house before then is low, and even if it did they would still have to clear the senate, and then get royal assent. The overwhelming opposition to this bill has delayed its progress significantly, and the senate will be very weary that the commons committee heard 29 witnesses and over 90 briefs whose submissions were completely ignored, and specifically the government has completely failed to substantiate or validate any of the claims they have made in supporting this bill.

But sure, by all means, call it a failure.
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Sounds like we fought the good fight to the best of our ability and the result is:
-Our people treated poorly and in a disrespectful manner?
- No "compromise" amendments incorporated to date?

We went in with a bag of wishes and came out without the bag. To me that's failure.

Did you research my example as suggested or do you just skate around it? If you did check on them, what are your thoughts?

And what is your plan because delaying C-71 is just that, a delay of the inevitable. Or do you see a golden day beyond that eludes most of us.
 
A friend from Germany and I just shared an observation that maybe somebody should throw at your Left parties when they want a power grab of any kind...

"Imagine that your country's version of Donald Trump somehow gets elected. Think about how a small, petty, retaliatory-minded sort under the opposing party's banner could exploit the power you want to give the State and weaponize it against you when *he* pulls the levers of State Power... hell, look at how Hitler abused the very acts that Weimar Germany had passed intending to disarm and marginalize the Nazi movement. Now imagine every Act that has been passed to empower the State being employed systematically and in the worst possible creatively-abusive way when the other team wins and turns Big Brother's eye on YOU... Not a very comforting thought, is it?"

This may be a uniquely American viewpoint, but... well, I believe there's something to the theory about "never allow government to have a power you wouldn't want a mortal foe to have."
 
Diamondback Six said:
A friend from Germany and I just shared an observation that maybe somebody should throw at your Left parties when they want a power grab of any kind...

"Imagine that your country's version of Donald Trump somehow gets elected. Think about how a small, petty, retaliatory-minded sort under the opposing party's banner could exploit the power you want to give the State and weaponize it against you when *he* pulls the levers of State Power... hell, look at how Hitler abused the very acts that Weimar Germany had passed intending to disarm and marginalize the Nazi movement. Now imagine every Act that has been passed to empower the State being employed systematically and in the worst possible creatively-abusive way when the other team wins and turns Big Brother's eye on YOU... Not a very comforting thought, is it?"

This may be a uniquely American viewpoint, but... well, I believe there's something to the theory about "never allow government to have a power you wouldn't want a mortal foe to have."
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That quote makes absolutely 0 sense in canada, where a majority government holds both executive and legislative powers anyway. It makes very little sense in US where the current legislative body has been neutered by the executive branch of the government.

if any of these government wants a law to seize everything you own, they can write one in 24 hours. It's irrelevant whether that law was put into place before of after they were elected.
 
personally I'm looking forward to owning all those ARs and AKs that are going to be re-classified NR.

After all, one of this government's alleged "principles" is to remove political interference from classification and that's all named Restricted/Prohibited is.

No full auto? Check
Barrel long enough? Check
Gotta be NR, right?

Right?
 
North60 said:
Sad that so many dealers and PAL holders didn’t stand up to this, Thanks for all your hard work Wolverine. And so it begins I wonder what all the people who said it won’t affect me will feel when they have to give up their semi autos shotguns.......
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I did my part, sent emails, donated money to the CPC, and posted it everywhere on social media.
 
bigplinker said:
Anyone with suggestions of how we can reach all the gun owners in Canada? Because it's clear to me, through the lack of interest/knowledge when it comes to Bill C 71 and what it means to gun owners in this country, that this forum is only the tip of the iceberg, and that iceberg could have sunk Bill C71 if only we'd all been in its path.
Just wondering what public resource, besides the internet, we can use to get us all involved in defending our civil rights, instead of some of us watching them erode beneath us, while the rest of us stand by in oblivion.
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Posters at every gun/hunting/fishing store that will allow them. Not everyone who shoots comes to CGN.
 
GuiltySpark said:
Hunter's have nothing to worry about.
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As long as they don't mind hunting with expensive lead free ammo, and don't care about semi's, and don't care about any firearms that are, have been, or could be used as a weapon of war by some crack pot dictator, or criminal, and don't care about whether the RCMP can torture the plain meaning of words further to prohibit anything that isnt a single shot .22.

Riddle me this batman. Where do you think the line is where the Liberals will stand up straight, look the gun grabbers in the eye, pat themselves on the back and say mission accomplished, we are done here?

80 Years of Canadian politics shows that Liberals and Conservatives together are marching towards a firearms ban. We already have a ban without a license. Now they are going to work turning the screws to make licenses harder to get, lowering the bar for prohibition orders, and making complying with licensing more onerous. Some PMs drag their feet, some run full tilt, some do a little two steps forward one step back shimmy.

The only thing that has stopped or slowed the advance is gun owners, very vocally, talking about what there is to worry about.

Telling hunters they have nothing to worry about virtually guarantees that they will have something to worry about.

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