Liberals plan to ''End Gun Violence''

Yeah if it was that simple.
Most of us will vote “blue” but the problem is they have unlimited funds being pumped in from outside (Soros) and our money he just decided to take for their campaign. He also has mainstream media, politicians…
It’s a bit of a problem I’d say.
 
Gun crime has risen the most under LPC control. Their May 2020 ban caused an INCREASE in gun crime. They are now doubling down by pushing more bans and limitations while ignoring the root causes. They will continue to do this until everyone is disarmed.

If you are a firearm owner, if you enjoy shooting sports, you should not be voting for this party. A vote anywhere is better than a vote to the LPC. We are a small group, but if all of us are motivated in our voting we can make a difference. Many LPC voters are simply apathetic and we need to take advantage of that.
 
One thing I had expected to hear more about is how much any legitimate buy-back would cost.
By prohibiting a whole bunch of firearms that weren't even previously registered, doesn't that create a bit of a tracking problem? What about all the untracked sales and resales between owners on forums like this one? Think of all the crates of SKS's that used to fly off the shelves at Wholesale.

It's a very large list that includes millions (tens of millions?) of unregistered firearms that will have to be purchased by Canadian tax payers and destroyed by the RCMP (you wanna bet they don't ask for 500 staff and 250 million to tackle this additional work??).

Then they are gonna send the mounties door to door to seize firearms from the holdouts?? that's going to require the ERT team because of course, they are dealing with non-compliant "criminals" in possession of "assault weapons".
I would guess that cost to be well into the billions of dollars.

What about the cost of all the accessories, rendered useless without said firearm? another couple billion....

All of this to say a buy back is just about as likely as the second coming.

If you are thinking you can at least expect a check after this fiasco I think you are mistaken. No government will ever get a buy back approved.
Equally though, no government will ever repeal gun laws that the sheep believe make them safer.

Therefore, who you vote for will have no impact on this situation whatsoever. Nothing will move this out of limbo except a strong Liberal majority and then the party will be committing political suicide by implementing a program thats cost many billions of dollars and, as we all agree, will accomplish exactly nothing. Much better to just pretend you are trying. Propose ideas the opposition is sure to fight. The government who put this OIC into place knew that, or ought to have known that, at the time.

The only possible solution I see is to challenge the OIC legally and win and that may require compromise.

In my opinion, As a nation of gunowners, we should be prepared to offer concessions.
How about allowing for a few more of the unregistered long guns into the restricted category?
Has it ever seemed right that an AR is restricted and a Robinson XCR is not even registered??
Isn't there a whole big list of guns that people bought specifically to avoid "restricted" status that are still pretty much AR's, at least functionally? They are gas operated semi-automatic rifles for which a wide variety of high capacity magazines are readily available.
Haven't many of us done the same since the OIC? How many shops can keep a PC9 in stock??
No wonder we have a proliferation of firearms that scare people.

Retailers and manufacturers who have promoted and capitalized on these "loophole" guns and magazines bear some of the blame here.
If the sheep are scared (and vote on that fear) then we have to acknowledge that we, as a community, have done little to assuage those fears.
Arguing facts (like gun crime statistics involving legal vs illegal guns) will do nothing to change beliefs and maintaining an adversarial position is more likely to entrench fears than ease them.

Offering a reasonable alternative may be the only way we will ever get anywhere........
In my opinion, it certainly doesn't help to be divisive.
 
ENOUGH of this non-sense. They are trying to pin lawful gun-owners. And treating gun related crimes like a petty shoplifter. I might agree with them if we put it this way:

1. YOUNG OFFENDERS caught carrying firearm/s will be treated as an adult.
2. Offenders will not be entitled to BAIL while awaiting court date or sentencing.
3. NO PAROLE for any gun related crime. Minimum and automatic 10 yrs for a mere possession and unlawful discharge of a firearm in public.
4. Automatic 20 yrs if the firearm resulted in harm or death.
5. Automatic LIFE for REPEAT OFFENDERS

Not sure if you guys will agree with me, but at some point, LINE has to be drawn. Current legal practice is not curbing gun related crime. More offenders are getting younger and repeating the same crime due to a very weak system. They catch a Young Offender and jailed for a day. Next day, he is back on the street. In week, he is back in jail, and cycles back like a semi. Still, the push to curb legal ownership will just burn more money that can be used somewhere else and end up not solving the real problem.
Don't forget the overpriced Long Guns Registry. This will prohibition cost multiple-folds and ends up with the same #### we are in today.

VOTE EARLY AND VOTE WISELY!
 
The risk is way too high to be voting PPC in this election given what's at stake... I really don't understand how they are willing to risk their gun rights just because they see the CPC as "not conservative enough"...

Quote I read recently that applies here: "Voting isn’t marriage, it’s public transport. You’re not waiting for “the one” who’s absolutely perfect: you’re getting the bus, and if there isn’t one to your destination, you don’t not travel- you take the one going closest.”

Some food for thought with regards to the vote...

https://fb.watch/7MRIlN1Tla/

Normally I always vote conservative but this election has me torn. Take it easy on me guys, I'm not decided yet but I always appreciate another perspective as demonstrated in this video.

To clarify, I'm split between Conservative and PPC, I would never cast a vote for any of the other 3.
 
Beeron, what are you talking about? Compromise some more? How about no! Even some 22lr rifles were added to the OIC list. Do you really think that compromising will do us any good? I think not. Licensed owners are not the problem; we are simply being used as pawns by the Liberals to scare the population and get votes. Compromise if you want, but you are definitively not helping the rest of us by doing so...
 
In my opinion, As a nation of gunowners, we should be prepared to offer concessions...

Retailers and manufacturers who have promoted and capitalized on these "loophole" guns and magazines bear some of the blame here.

Your entire post is hands-down the stupidest thing I have ever seen on this forum. I cannot fathom how one could be so positively blind to the reality surrounding them.
 
Hi Cheb,
I suspect that everyone here knows that licensed gun owners are not the problem.
Of course we aren't.
We are; however, in the minority. Remember when that one kid on the bus wanted to go to burger king instead of McDonald's??
It would seem you hope to convince the majority of your position by repeating it (in a confirmation bubble I might add) and adding some very compelling (and very true btw) facts about how we are not the problem. It's true, and it sucks, but I respectfully submit to you that it hasn't gotten us very far to this point and I doubt it will.

I'm not saying it's right or fair, I'm just offering my version of reality and my best hope for an outcome that I can live with..
It's just my opinion. but I think it could readily be argued that entrenching ourselves in an "It's not fair" mindset could be just as harmful to the overall cause as my suggestion toward finding a compromise.
 
One thing I had expected to hear more about is how much any legitimate buy-back would cost.
By prohibiting a whole bunch of firearms that weren't even previously registered, doesn't that create a bit of a tracking problem? What about all the untracked sales and resales between owners on forums like this one? Think of all the crates of SKS's that used to fly off the shelves at Wholesale.

It's a very large list that includes millions (tens of millions?) of unregistered firearms that will have to be purchased by Canadian tax payers and destroyed by the RCMP (you wanna bet they don't ask for 500 staff and 250 million to tackle this additional work??).

Then they are gonna send the mounties door to door to seize firearms from the holdouts?? that's going to require the ERT team because of course, they are dealing with non-compliant "criminals" in possession of "assault weapons".
I would guess that cost to be well into the billions of dollars.

What about the cost of all the accessories, rendered useless without said firearm? another couple billion....

All of this to say a buy back is just about as likely as the second coming.

If you are thinking you can at least expect a check after this fiasco I think you are mistaken. No government will ever get a buy back approved.
Equally though, no government will ever repeal gun laws that the sheep believe make them safer.

Therefore, who you vote for will have no impact on this situation whatsoever. Nothing will move this out of limbo except a strong Liberal majority and then the party will be committing political suicide by implementing a program thats cost many billions of dollars and, as we all agree, will accomplish exactly nothing. Much better to just pretend you are trying. Propose ideas the opposition is sure to fight. The government who put this OIC into place knew that, or ought to have known that, at the time.

The only possible solution I see is to challenge the OIC legally and win and that may require compromise.

In my opinion, As a nation of gunowners, we should be prepared to offer concessions.
How about allowing for a few more of the unregistered long guns into the restricted category?
Has it ever seemed right that an AR is restricted and a Robinson XCR is not even registered??
Isn't there a whole big list of guns that people bought specifically to avoid "restricted" status that are still pretty much AR's, at least functionally? They are gas operated semi-automatic rifles for which a wide variety of high capacity magazines are readily available.
Haven't many of us done the same since the OIC? How many shops can keep a PC9 in stock??
No wonder we have a proliferation of firearms that scare people.

Retailers and manufacturers who have promoted and capitalized on these "loophole" guns and magazines bear some of the blame here.
If the sheep are scared (and vote on that fear) then we have to acknowledge that we, as a community, have done little to assuage those fears.
Arguing facts (like gun crime statistics involving legal vs illegal guns) will do nothing to change beliefs and maintaining an adversarial position is more likely to entrench fears than ease them.

Offering a reasonable alternative may be the only way we will ever get anywhere........
In my opinion, it certainly doesn't help to be divisive.

Your first mistake was thinking that Trudeau will be reasonable with Gun owners.!!!
 
Your entire post is hands-down the stupidest thing I have ever seen on this forum. I cannot fathom how one could be so positively blind to the reality surrounding them.

You may have noticed I was pretty careful to be polite and reasoned in my post.
actually, you probably didn't.
Go ahead and keep screaming "No fair!" at the wind if that makes you feel good..... tremendous results so far
 
You may have noticed I was pretty careful to be polite and reasoned in my post.
actually, you probably didn't.
Go ahead and keep screaming "No fair!" at the wind if that makes you feel good..... tremendous results so far

I don't think you quite realize what is going on here.
This is full out war on law obiding gun owners and their end game is a complete civilian disarmament....any concessions aimed at appeasing these psychopath thugs will only result in losing our guns faster.

Do you really think that if you give them this "concession", they will leave you alone?
We have been slowly conceeding for long time..and look where we are now!!

This is equivalent of wanting to make concessions with your rapist
 
Welcome to complete and total subservience.

Only if your weak and willing to bow down to the ####ers. We all need to stand strong on these new gun laws if liberals get back into power and say #### hell no. If conservatives make it back into power we need to push for drastic changes to our rites and freedoms especially property rites
 
Actually, it seems to me like I am one of very few people who realize (the root word here is REALITY) what is going on here.
You seem to think confirming to a bunch of people who already agree with you that this OIC was/is unfair will accomplish something.
The reality is that it won't do that. At best, it will do nothing at all.
At worst, it will confirm to others, including those people who are worried about gun owners, that you are unwilling to listen to others.
It is just my opinion but I think that will make people less likely to listen to you.
At least, that's what many decades of living on this planet have demonstrated to me.

I never said it was fair or right. unequivocally, it isn't. What I am talking about is reality.
see it or don't,...up to you.
 
ENOUGH of this non-sense. They are trying to pin lawful gun-owners. And treating gun related crimes like a petty shoplifter. I might agree with them if we put it this way:

1. YOUNG OFFENDERS caught carrying firearm/s will be treated as an adult.
2. Offenders will not be entitled to BAIL while awaiting court date or sentencing.
3. NO PAROLE for any gun related crime. Minimum and automatic 10 yrs for a mere possession and unlawful discharge of a firearm in public.
4. Automatic 20 yrs if the firearm resulted in harm or death.
5. Automatic LIFE for REPEAT OFFENDERS

Not sure if you guys will agree with me, but at some point, LINE has to be drawn. Current legal practice is not curbing gun related crime. More offenders are getting younger and repeating the same crime due to a very weak system. They catch a Young Offender and jailed for a day. Next day, he is back on the street. In week, he is back in jail, and cycles back like a semi. Still, the push to curb legal ownership will just burn more money that can be used somewhere else and end up not solving the real problem.
Don't forget the overpriced Long Guns Registry. This will prohibition cost multiple-folds and ends up with the same #### we are in today.

VOTE EARLY AND VOTE WISELY!

This would DEFINITELY be VERY effective in reducing gun crime significantly & swiftly, which is why it would never be implemented.

It's amazing how clear things are once you understand politicians are NOT there to solve problems.
 
Deport immigrant gang members if any weapons are used to commit a crime and seize everything but the clothes on their backs.
 
Actually, it seems to me like I am one of very few people who realize (the root word here is REALITY) what is going on here.
You seem to think confirming to a bunch of people who already agree with you that this OIC was/is unfair will accomplish something.
The reality is that it won't do that. At best, it will do nothing at all.
At worst, it will confirm to others, including those people who are worried about gun owners, that you are unwilling to listen to others.
It is just my opinion but I think that will make people less likely to listen to you.
At least, that's what many decades of living on this planet have demonstrated to me.

I never said it was fair or right. unequivocally, it isn't. What I am talking about is reality.
see it or don't,...up to you.

Not quite sure what point you are trying to make, but if you think that confirming to a bunch of criminals whom are looking to disarm us by using false narratives is the way forward, then I'm at a complete loss here.
 
And if the CPC makes it, let us push for a common-sense firearms policy against young offenders, repeat offenders with a bad ass warning to would be offenders.


This would DEFINITELY be VERY effective in reducing gun crime significantly & swiftly, which is why it would never be implemented.

It's amazing how clear things are once you understand politicians are NOT there to solve problems.
 
Deport immigrant gang members if any weapons are used to commit a crime and seize everything but the clothes on their backs.

The Liberals are not likely to deport their best assets

The gangbangers ensure the continuation of the street shootings, which in tuen ensure the new rounds of gun control in order to "reduce crime".
 
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