Liberals plan to ''End Gun Violence''

Beeron said:
One thing I had expected to hear more about is how much any legitimate buy-back would cost.
By prohibiting a whole bunch of firearms that weren't even previously registered, doesn't that create a bit of a tracking problem? What about all the untracked sales and resales between owners on forums like this one? Think of all the crates of SKS's that used to fly off the shelves at Wholesale.

It's a very large list that includes millions (tens of millions?) of unregistered firearms that will have to be purchased by Canadian tax payers and destroyed by the RCMP (you wanna bet they don't ask for 500 staff and 250 million to tackle this additional work??).

Then they are gonna send the mounties door to door to seize firearms from the holdouts?? that's going to require the ERT team because of course, they are dealing with non-compliant "criminals" in possession of "assault weapons".
I would guess that cost to be well into the billions of dollars.

What about the cost of all the accessories, rendered useless without said firearm? another couple billion....

All of this to say a buy back is just about as likely as the second coming.

If you are thinking you can at least expect a check after this fiasco I think you are mistaken. No government will ever get a buy back approved.
Equally though, no government will ever repeal gun laws that the sheep believe make them safer.

Therefore, who you vote for will have no impact on this situation whatsoever. Nothing will move this out of limbo except a strong Liberal majority and then the party will be committing political suicide by implementing a program thats cost many billions of dollars and, as we all agree, will accomplish exactly nothing. Much better to just pretend you are trying. Propose ideas the opposition is sure to fight. The government who put this OIC into place knew that, or ought to have known that, at the time.

The only possible solution I see is to challenge the OIC legally and win and that may require compromise.

In my opinion, As a nation of gunowners, we should be prepared to offer concessions.
How about allowing for a few more of the unregistered long guns into the restricted category?
Has it ever seemed right that an AR is restricted and a Robinson XCR is not even registered??
Isn't there a whole big list of guns that people bought specifically to avoid "restricted" status that are still pretty much AR's, at least functionally? They are gas operated semi-automatic rifles for which a wide variety of high capacity magazines are readily available.
Haven't many of us done the same since the OIC? How many shops can keep a PC9 in stock??
No wonder we have a proliferation of firearms that scare people.

Retailers and manufacturers who have promoted and capitalized on these "loophole" guns and magazines bear some of the blame here.
If the sheep are scared (and vote on that fear) then we have to acknowledge that we, as a community, have done little to assuage those fears.
Arguing facts (like gun crime statistics involving legal vs illegal guns) will do nothing to change beliefs and maintaining an adversarial position is more likely to entrench fears than ease them.

Offering a reasonable alternative may be the only way we will ever get anywhere........
In my opinion, it certainly doesn't help to be divisive.
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MAKE CONCESSIONS, are you kidding me. You gotta be trolling people
 
CZ Shooter said:
Not quite sure what point you are trying to make, but if you think that confirming to a bunch of criminals whom are looking to disarm us by using false narratives is the way forward, then I'm at a complete loss here.
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yep, I think you characterize your circumstances very well here....
 
Beeron said:
You may have noticed I was pretty careful to be polite and reasoned in my post.
actually, you probably didn't.
Go ahead and keep screaming "No fair!" at the wind if that makes you feel good..... tremendous results so far
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your other post ends with a comment about people being divisive....
I would suggest that any Canadian who speaks about concessions or compromises when it comes to the hate crimes being thrown against canada's most law abiding and vetted citizens ..... is really the one being divisive in this community.
We are being scapegoated and victimized, defamed and ridiculed and on top of that having our lawfully aquired property stolen from us by a governing party reeking of corruption and playing by a Marxist handbook.
That sh!t is not okay in my Canada and never will be. If you disagree than YOU are not only the one being divisive, you are nothing more than spineless jellyfish waiting in line to be "governed" by a marxist regime.
 
45ACPKING said:
your other post ends with a comment about people being divisive....
I would suggest that any Canadian who speaks about concessions or compromises when it comes to the hate crimes being thrown against canada's most law abiding and vetted citizens ..... is really the one being divisive in this community.
We are being scapegoated and victimized, defamed and ridiculed and on top of that having our lawfully aquired property stolen from us by a governing party reeking of corruption and playing by a Marxist handbook.
That sh!t is not okay in my Canada and never will be. If you disagree than YOU are not only the one being divisive, you are nothing more than spineless jellyfish waiting in line to be "governed" by a marxist regime.
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Again, thoughtful and polite..
This community gives me the warm fuzzies all over...

"Your" Canada, is actually shared with about 37,500,000 other people. Many of whom (at least a few) aren't on CGN.
Most of those people don't care one little bit about you and your "right" to possess whatever gun you want to possess.
Therefore, if someone uses fear to convince them to vote a certain way, do you really think yelling at them and telling them they are stupid will help?

I do care about you and your plight, I really do. Because I share it. And what I was doing was expressing my opinion that vocalizing a hard line with people about fighting for our rights etc. is unlikely to convince enough of those people to see things your way (our way even).
What makes more sense to me is to concede to them and others that we are probably overdue for some firearm legislation reform in this country. What the liberals did won't work, we all know that, but maybe something else could. Something to address availability, ease of modification, and much more importantly, the root causes of crime in general??

btw, "spineless jellyfish" is redundant.....unless you are aware of some jellyfish with spines somewhere.
 
Beeron said:
Again, thoughtful and polite..
What makes more sense to me is to concede to them and others that we are probably overdue for some firearm legislation reform in this country. What the liberals did won't work, we all know that, but maybe something else could. Something to address availability, ease of modification, and much more importantly, the root causes of crime in general??
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And to do so you are proposing to give up some more guns in addition to all of those that have been banned since 1970s? Sure, that'll help us a lot /sarcasm/
You can even team up with Poly and Wendy to be more efficient in your effort, they already have a wish list of "consessions" and "compromises" for us to make
 
Beeron said:
Again, thoughtful and polite..
This community gives me the warm fuzzies all over...

"Your" Canada, is actually shared with about 37,500,000 other people. Many of whom (at least a few) aren't on CGN.
Most of those people don't care one little bit about you and your "right" to possess whatever gun you want to possess.
Therefore, if someone uses fear to convince them to vote a certain way, do you really think yelling at them and telling them they are stupid will help?

I do care about you and your plight, I really do. Because I share it. And what I was doing was expressing my opinion that vocalizing a hard line with people about fighting for our rights etc. is unlikely to convince enough of those people to see things your way (our way even).
What makes more sense to me is to concede to them and others that we are probably overdue for some firearm legislation reform in this country. What the liberals did won't work, we all know that, but maybe something else could. Something to address availability, ease of modification, and much more importantly, the root causes of crime in general??

btw, "spineless jellyfish" is redundant.....unless you are aware of some jellyfish with spines somewhere.
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Beeron,

I think the largest issue is that any concession is not good. We have had plenty of concessions as a firearm community. What they are proposing will not reduce gun crime, it just reduces our ability to enjoy our sport. If we give into this it will not end. There will be no point where the Liberal government will say "Alright we have enough regulation we are good". As they incorporate these bans and restrictions shooting will continue, which will result in more bans and restrictions, until we have no guns, and there will still be shootings.

You need to understand that the LPC wants a Canada with no guns. That is the road they are on. As a minority, we need to stand up for what we love. If we don't fight against every piece of new legislation that comes down, we will have nothing. If we don't get more people into the sport we will keep losing our ability to enjoy it.

There is no reasonable grounds for giving the LPC anything, because it will not stop them from taking more. I think this is where your original post goes wrong. You feel that if we compromise then Canadians will feel good about the firearm community and the LPC will back off. This is simply not true, and has been demonstrated in their platform. The banned 1500 guns in 2020, now they are funding provinces to ban pistols. They want more restrictions on magazine capacity (which is already crazy strict). So next election it will just be another thing. There is nothing we can give them outside of a full ban that will satisfy them. Anything we give for free just makes their job easier.

I appreciate you trying to find some middle ground, but Canadians firearm owners are already in the middle ground. We are not the US. We have a ton of restrictions and controls, having more will not help us or lower gun crime.

Gangs in Toronto are not all of a sudden going to turn in their smuggled pistols or buy low capacity magazines. So there simply is not point in complying with something that will not stop crime and only lead to us being targetted again.

People need to get out and vote!
 
Beeron said:
You may have noticed I was pretty careful to be polite and reasoned in my post.
actually, you probably didn't.
Go ahead and keep screaming "No fair!" at the wind if that makes you feel good..... tremendous results so far
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I understand your point of view Beeron. However, this thing (gun bans, OIC, etc.) will be won or lost through court action and the ballot box, as well as peaceful civil disobedience. Compromising may slow things down, but only until the next round of confiscation… Anyway, that’s my opinion for what it’s worth.
 
In 2025 it'll be a campaign promise to ban all semi autos. Hes saving little pieces for every election. And id say hes enjoying our outrage. The only smile we get to have is when he campaigns and gets called communist or yelled at and chased down the road.

For some of us, the division of countryman is complete. Vote liberal and i dont want to know you. Thanks to this psychotic little smug pu**y.
 
Notice how the term "reasonable" comes up in every Liberal Party of Canada election platform.

Notice how the term "reasonable" permeates the Constitution of canada. A constitution created by Pierre Elliot Trudeau.

Notice how the term "reasonable" is used by the courts of canada.

Reasonable. An exclusive term only for the Liberal Party of canada.

Anything not considered "reasonable" by the Liberal Party of canada and their courts must be eliminated.

Like owning a gun in canada is not "reasonable" in the eyes of the Liberal party of canada.
 
Jeff_C said:
Beeron,

I think the largest issue is that any concession is not good. We have had plenty of concessions as a firearm community. What they are proposing will not reduce gun crime, it just reduces our ability to enjoy our sport. If we give into this it will not end. There will be no point where the Liberal government will say "Alright we have enough regulation we are good". As they incorporate these bans and restrictions shooting will continue, which will result in more bans and restrictions, until we have no guns, and there will still be shootings.

You need to understand that the LPC wants a Canada with no guns. That is the road they are on. As a minority, we need to stand up for what we love. If we don't fight against every piece of new legislation that comes down, we will have nothing. If we don't get more people into the sport we will keep losing our ability to enjoy it.

There is no reasonable grounds for giving the LPC anything, because it will not stop them from taking more. I think this is where your original post goes wrong. You feel that if we compromise then Canadians will feel good about the firearm community and the LPC will back off. This is simply not true, and has been demonstrated in their platform. The banned 1500 guns in 2020, now they are funding provinces to ban pistols. They want more restrictions on magazine capacity (which is already crazy strict). So next election it will just be another thing. There is nothing we can give them outside of a full ban that will satisfy them. Anything we give for free just makes their job easier.

I appreciate you trying to find some middle ground, but Canadians firearm owners are already in the middle ground. We are not the US. We have a ton of restrictions and controls, having more will not help us or lower gun crime.

Gangs in Toronto are not all of a sudden going to turn in their smuggled pistols or buy low capacity magazines. So there simply is not point in complying with something that will not stop crime and only lead to us being targetted again.

People need to get out and vote!
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I live in Freeland's riding and have met with her staff a few times to discuss gun control. At the time I though I could make a difference, talk logic to them and i was optimistic i could make a difference ----- but it was a scam, they listened and then just did what they wanted to do.

Today, they won't return my calls. I am very sad to say I failed and the liberals are not interested in logic, just politics and step by step gun confiscation. Today I say, #### Trudeau.
 
We are passing last years of Canadian freedom.
Enjoy the moments now, because majority of Canadians will vote for free stuff.
 
Watching the French election debates... Never thought I'd ever be cheering for other parties when they attack Trudeau... O'Toole is having a tough time unfortunately, and Trudeau looks (<-keyword as optics are everything) to be having the upper hand on many issues as he is articulating his answers well. I hope O'Toole does better in the English Debates.
 
trudea was put into power and used the word "reconciliation" during his campaign trail and that went to hell. Now he is using "end gun violence" this time to gather votes. That will also go to hell too. Lots of people see his BS though. People at my work are not voting for this a hole.
 
Anthony1977 said:
Watching the French election debates... Never thought I'd ever be cheering for other parties when they attack Trudeau... O'Toole is having a tough time unfortunately, and Trudeau looks (<-keyword as optics are everything) to be having the upper hand on many issues as he is articulating his answers well. I hope O'Toole does better in the English Debates.
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Also watching the debate. On « assault weapons » Turd just said it’s the buy back or they will be deactivated. On handguns, he will give power to cities or provinces to ban them on their territory. Never thought we would sink so low.
 
zykopat said:
Also watching the debate. On « assault weapons » Turd just said it’s the buy back or they will be deactivated. On handguns, he will give power to cities or provinces to ban them on their territory. Never thought we would sink so low.
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Yeah, and I was pissed when they didn't give O'Toole enough time to explain his stance that going after law abiding gun owners is not the answer as they are not the problem, and Trudeau actually reducing sentences in Bill C-22... The moderator then said they had to go to "the next topic"... Hopefully, O'Toole will get to call him out in the upcoming English debates...
 
Chatrbaz84 said:
We are passing last years of Canadian freedom.
Enjoy the moments now, because majority of Canadians will vote for free stuff.
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Simply put but it's the truth! Just reading the posts through out CGN of gun owners thinking they won't vote conservative becuse the don't like O'Tool and risk the liberals staying in power tells me all I need to know about the simplicity of many, and makes sense now how a leader like trudeau has a chance to be the majority gov't! So you love shooting sports, own fire arms but , you would vote in a party knowing they will take that all away from you AND make you and your kids pay billions to do it...Kinda like holding the bar of soap in the shower but purposely dropping in front or trudeau when he walks in!
It might inconvenience some to vote conservative but stop the bleeding now, it's only for four years, people make out like the party vote is forever, these parties will flip flop back and forth for generations, always have always will, but it's time for change and stop the bleeding!
 
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