LION CHARGE on VIDEO!!!

Why not take a closer look at the video you posted Peanut, see the fence, yes another canned hunt. Lets cage in a cat and shoot it............wow outstanding. Again most large game could become dangerous put it that situation. Going out in the open country with a guide not 4 or 5 seems more like hunting.
 
canadaman30 said:
Why not take a closer look at the video you posted Peanut, see the fence, yes another canned hunt. Lets cage in a cat and shoot it............wow outstanding. Again most large game could become dangerous put it that situation. Going out in the open country with a guide not 4 or 5 seems more like hunting.
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That one video I believe is a canned hunt but that goes on all over the world including right here in Canada. To each their own ethically in regards to hunting and what is "sporting", but IMO hunt farms are no more inhumane per se than buying meat from a grocery store. I've never done it and would personally prefer hunting wild game, but I see nothing wrong with it if it's done legally. I don't think one could argue that shooting a elk or bison on a game farm is okay, but a lion isn't. Like I said it's a personal choice and I couldn't condemn anyone for doing it.

Anyway, thanks for the informative posts Boomer.
 
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jaydog said:
Hey Boomer- whats up with the picture of the old lion? It looks like its out of a book (I can see a bend in the image) and the lion has what looks like three bullet holes in him (shoulder, hip and knee) but its hard to tell.
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Looks to me like an old fella that tangled with another one. The blood looks like it's coming from cuts, not bullet holes. I think it's to point out what happens to overmature animals in the wild.

Never hunted dangerous game, I'd love to, and I have no problem with it at all, as long as it's legal. I would think, like others have ointed out, that once someone has taken the first shot and the animal is wounded there is an urgency to finish it before someone gets hurt, hence every gun that you can beg, steal or borrow.
 
jaydog said:
Hey Boomer- whats up with the picture of the old lion? It looks like its out of a book (I can see a bend in the image) and the lion has what looks like three bullet holes in him (shoulder, hip and knee) but its hard to tell.
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The point of the pic (which is from a book) is to illustrate the point I was making of how tough life is for injured or old lions once past their prime. The wounds this lion suffered were from other lions who protested him attempting to feed. The punctures are from canines, and the scratches from claws. No idea what happened to his front left leg which is not visible in the pic, but if it was uninjured should have been visible. As I said, the lion who is killed by the hunter in his late prime has won the lottery, as this is what he has to look forward to. Still you can look at this lion and marvel at the specimen he may have once been.
 
canadaman30 said:
Why not take a closer look at the video you posted Peanut, see the fence, yes another canned hunt. Lets cage in a cat and shoot it............wow outstanding. Again most large game could become dangerous put it that situation. Going out in the open country with a guide not 4 or 5 seems more like hunting.
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It is seldom that a lion is found in the open, unless lured by bait. Lions don't always give up after being shot, and once wounded the only responsible thing to do is to track it down and kill it. Until the first shot is made, the hunter whose turn it is to shoot has every opportunity to pass up the shot and wait for a better lion, but once the first shot is made, nobody goes home until the situation is resolved. It may be resolved fairly quickly or it could take hours or days.

There are few big game animals that will hunt you down and kill you after they have been wounded. This is what makes dangerous game dangerous, and interestingly enough the lion is the exception to the rule as most injured predators will try to elude the hunter and escape. Not so the lion, once he realizes you are after him, he will set up an ambush and take you from close range when there is little chance to respond. When hunters or trackers are injured by wounded leopards, its because the cat's wound has prevented him from getting away. In long grass you can almost step on him before you see him, so once again it would be like having a grenade exploding in your face. The large grass eaters: the African buffalo, hippo, and elephant are far more dangerous than the predators, and are a serious problem when wounded because once on you, survival is the exception to the rule.
 
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canadaman30 said:
Why not take a closer look at the video you posted Peanut, see the fence, yes another canned hunt. Lets cage in a cat and shoot it............wow outstanding. Again most large game could become dangerous put it that situation. Going out in the open country with a guide not 4 or 5 seems more like hunting.
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The point of posting the video was to show a close call with a lion, not to debate whether or not "canned hunts" are ok, especially with a troll.

For the record, I would only go on a "fair chase" hunt.

And lots of people enjoy group hunting with 4 or 5 friends. As long as they are safe and not in situations that they are pointing rifles at each other, its a time that they can all enjoy together and take pride in working as a team. If it seems "unfair" to you then whatever, no one cares. Everyone is going to hunt how they want to as long as it is safe and not illegal.
 
It's not an argument, my point is I feel no sympathy for a group of individuals on a canned hunt to be attacked by an animal that is destined to die by a group of guns. Just as I feel no sympathy for bullriders that get hurt, thats their choice to climb aboard. He who plays with fire be prepared to be burnt. Taking care of a wounded animal is for sure a different scenario as I've tracked many wounded bears an have seen to what they are capable of when pushed. A bear is not a lion 4 sure but to think that a 400 pd bear is not considered dangerous is an understatment...
 
Lakonian said:
Hahah. "goth". Anyone with more than a modicum of intelligence would have forgone using that comment in this context.. :rolleyes: +1! for ignorant comments, attacking ignorant comments.
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Explain to me how insinuating that an individual who enjoys watching people die or get hurt is not what the modern "Goth" genre is about? The "Goth" culture has a penchant desire for morbiddity. I would describe watching a man be attacked and severely injured or killed and enjoying it, well, as morbid. If you happen to enjoy wearing black makeup, fake vampire teeth and long-black, accordion buttoned, leather trench coats, I am so sorry I offended you. But as for ignorant, no I am actually versed in the mental disturbance that affects the modern "Goth".
Feel free to explain how inappropriate this would have been in "this context".
But congratulations on modicum, that is a really big word.:rolleyes:
 
Great video !

And I loved this whole thread discussion ! Fireworks from all contributers... Bang ,pow, wiz, pop....kerboom !!

It made me feel young again ............. yup just like kindergarten !!!
 
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Ok I be serious this time :
If this was a pen hunt I am sorry I even watched it. I will never hunt a penned animal and don't condone it. I also don't condemn it. This may sound hypocritical but I believe it is not.
I feel that pen hunt are for city pussies that just want a sure thing ....a dead animal. These people are not sportsmen or outdoors men.

Taking 4 other guy's with guns to help with your short comings is cowardly not smart as some say. In my books if you can't see the action through from start to finish .....don't start.

The only brave men in that video were the unarmed trackers.

In Africa some tribes bushmen kill a lion with only a spear and alone, to become a man in the village. It must be hard to walk home dragging that set of gonads on the ground.

Hell I love to see a matador wiped out by the bull. What odds do the bulls have ? One matador and 3-4 picadors , whats that slaughter house odds at best.

What odds of escape did the lion have if this was a pen hunt ? Same as a bull in a ring.
Slaughterhouse odds at best.

As a butcher by trade I have moonlighted in many slaughter houses and know a good deal more than most about pushing a animal through the pearly gates. So you could say I have been on many pen hunts.
Kill chute or penned in a field the outcome is the same. Processed meat.
If at any time an animal has no chance to escape it is not fair chase. There is only 1 outcome.

Now I stated that I don't condemn pen hunts . So to qualify that statement , I feel that if you have purchased a animal it is yours to process in a humane manner in what ever setting is legal. Kill chute . fenced pen, cage or barn yard ,your choice. It means nothing to me.
But I feel it is wrong to call it hunting or fair chase. It is simply processing an animal to the inevitable outcome. Nothing more.

One guy in the wide open spaces with a gun alone, against a lion.= Brave man.
One guy with a spear = Ultimate man? Probably. If he makes it.
Five guy's and a penned lion = 1 coward 4 helpers and 1 paid for processed lion.

This has been a very thought provoking thread.
 
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Let me first state I am NOT getting into the debate of "canned" hunts (this is actually the first time I've heard of it). I personally would never do it, but I gotta ask, how freaking tall would those fences have to be? Look at these suckers jump!

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I'm sure this has been posted elsewhere, I actually seen it on TV on one of those tv shows that shows shocking stuff or something, anyway, the tv commentator said the elephant actually grabbed the lion with his trunk and threw it to the ground (I'm not saying that's what happened, the tv did, so it must be true) But does that sound right? Elephants taking on big cats defending humans? I digress.

That guys arms is going to need a few stitch's as well.
 
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tkv000 said:
Let me first state I am NOT getting into the debate of "canned" hunts (this is actually the first time I've heard of it). I personally would never do it, but I gotta ask, how freaking tall would those fences have to be? Look at these suckers jump!
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Thanks, I've never seen the whole video of that one before. Don't piss of the kitties!
 
roccoskeet said:
Ok I be serious this time :
If this was a pen hunt I am sorry I even watched it. I will never hunt a penned animal and don't condone it. I also don't condemn it. This may sound hypocritical but I believe it is not.
I feel that pen hunt are for city pussies that just want a sure thing ....a dead animal. These people are not sportsmen or outdoors men.

Taking 4 other guy's with guns to help with your short comings is cowardly not smart as some say. In my books if you can't see the action through from start to finish .....don't start.

The only brave men in that video were the unarmed trackers.

In Africa some tribes bushmen kill a lion with only a spear and alone, to become a man in the village. It must be hard to walk home dragging that set of gonads on the ground.

Hell I love to see a matador wiped out by the bull. What odds do the bulls have ? One matador and 3-4 picadors , whats that slaughter house odds at best.

What odds of escape did the lion have if this was a pen hunt ? Same as a bull in a ring.
Slaughterhouse odds at best.

As a butcher by trade I have moonlighted in many slaughter houses and know a good deal more than most about pushing a animal through the pearly gates. So you could say I have been on many pen hunts.
Kill chute or penned in a field the outcome is the same. Processed meat.
If at any time an animal has no chance to escape it is not fair chase. There is only 1 outcome.

Now I stated that I don't condemn pen hunts . So to qualify that statement , I feel that if you have purchased a animal it is yours to process in a humane manner in what ever setting is legal. Kill chute . fenced pen, cage or barn yard ,your choice. It means nothing to me.
But I feel it is wrong to call it hunting or fair chase. It is simply processing an animal to the inevitable outcome. Nothing more.

One guy in the wide open spaces with a gun alone, against a lion.= Brave man.
One guy with a spear = Ultimate man? Probably. If he makes it.
Five guy's and a penned lion = 1 coward 4 helpers and 1 paid for processed lion.

This has been a very thought provoking thread.
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I have a couple of thoughts regarding your post.

Ranch hunting as it is typically practiced in the RSA is not exactly pen hunting, as the enclosure can encompass several thousand acres. That would be akin to suggesting that hunting deer in the agricultural areas of western Canada is pen hunting. Why is it that we would consider 4 guys pushing deer towards a shooter sport but a similar technique used against a lion is cowardly?

With respect to bull fighting, fighting bulls (toros de lidia) are an artificial species as no natural stock share their characteristics of bravery and aggressiveness. The fighting bulls are raised on a few ranches in Spain and Mexico, are very dangerous to handle, and without the bull fight they would disappear from the face of the earth. The point of the bull fight is not the death of the bull at the hands of the matador, it is the fighting spirit of the bull which enthralls. Anyone who respects a fighter respects these animals, he is truly magnificent compared to the force fed ###less oafs who provide our table fare.
 
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Thanks for your reply Mr.Boomer:

My only thought that I can use as a rebuttal to deer hunting in Western Canada is . The fences that would be present would be for the lazy, non-agile table fair you spoke of , cattle . Deer use cattle fencing for toy's. I am sure a fence for a lion would be much higher .

As for a driven deer hunt I prefer a stand hunt or spot and stock. Even at that a driven deer hunt that is in the open seems to still have fair chase as escape is possible. And as we all know happens very often.

Your point as the origin of fighting bulls is well made. They are prized as warriors. Lets look at that.

These bulls are raised for the arena.

It is well known that if caused pain it will exacerbate the the rage in the bull to fight to the death.

Humans with the elevated status and stature in nature, having self realization, compassion,empathy,and reason, should realize that antagonizing a lesser intelligent non self realized animal to its doom should raise the red flag that the action is wrong.

To say that the only way the fighting bull will not be swept into non existence unless it is kept enraged and exploited for a spectacle of senseless torture by its care takers is well , curious at best.

Man only has to look at the passenger pigeon to see what we are capable of.

Given the choice of looking at a live prize fighting bull in a barn yard and telling my kids what they were raised for would be much more fulfilling to me that to sit them down and watch the spectacle of torture and death to prove it.

As with the lion. To prove the stealth and courage of the hunter it can only be done mono a mono on the wide open stage known as earth to prove fair chase and cunning.

If a hunter or a lone matador dies, Charles Darwin wins.

Again very thought provoking.

Best Regards
 
The height of the fence is not the issue, the size of the enclosure is. The fence must be high enough to present a useful barrier, and the wildlife within the enclosure is safe as a result; in that they will not wander into populated areas where they could be injured by traffic or destroyed because they posed a danger to people. Ranch land or wilderness, 50,000 acres presents an equal degree of difficulty to the hunter. The technique a hunter chooses should not be criticized by another hunter provided it is legal. Spot and stalk is my preference, but I will not speak ill of the man who hunts over bait. To hunt a lion is a special experience, and that is the prime consideration for any hunter.

I disagree with your assessment as to the degree of cruelty leveled against the arena bull or the lion for that matter. The bull is raised as a warrior. He has been tested many times before his last visit to the arena. He must be proven. The wounds he receives are the wounds of combat, not wounds inflicted by a torturer. His death is far more noble than the death of the slaughterhouse steer, as he faces death as a willing combatant; thus his life is magnificent by comparison.

As for the lion, should he be taken by a hunter in his late prime, he has won the lottery. The suffering inflicted by injury or old age to the lion, as illustrated by the pic on post 52 is too terrible to consider.
 
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Several of my favorite debates are bull torcher (oops) fighting, and enclosure processing of paid for animals !

How liberals screw me.

How complacent Canadians are.

How did they make brussel sprouts taste so bad ? ha ha

And the senseless slaughter of Argyles for socks.

Just to name a couple.

No one will ever change my view of enclosure shooting of paid for animals and the fact I will never acknowledge it as hunting or those who do it hunters.

Bottom line is here cats are amazing critters. And after thousands of years they are still not domesticated. Take any cat from any city and put it in the wild and it will survive and thrive.


Great camp fire debates indeed !
 
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I wonder why these guys drop to one knee to get ready for a lion charge? You can shoot more accurately from a standing position when the target is moving, and you leave options open - like getting the hell out of the way if you need to.
 
It keeps your ass closer to the ground so when the crap falls out of your butt , it doesn't splatter as badly on the back of your legs.

Basically it keeps the corpse cleaner. ha ha !
 
jethunter said:
I wonder why these guys drop to one knee to get ready for a lion charge? You can shoot more accurately from a standing position when the target is moving, and you leave options open - like getting the hell out of the way if you need to.
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When you have a rifle that is capable of traveling straight through an animal you are better off on a level plain with it's vital organs,you don't want to shoot through the neck(maybe missing the shoulders)and traveling down into the earth. The same shot into the neck from a kneeling shot would probably traverse the entire body striking organs and maybe rear hip bones!

Bob:)
 
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