Little a bit of "FACK" today at the range..... **Update post #60**

Dietz said:
You're missing the point by at least a couple light years.
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I'm done trying to understand. I think notsorichguy hit the nail on the head when he said you assume the gun would have grenaded. Like I said, if you're using a gun without even shooting it and seeing if it works first for self-defense, then that's your own stupidity.

PS: I would like to apologize to notsorichguy for getting into a heated debate on his thread.
 
Some departments don't put hundreds of rounds through a gun before it gets issued. What do you think a cop using his gun do defend his life against an armed criminal will do when his gun ####s the bed. He's gonna die.


The ratio of broken bolts vs non-broken bolts on the canadian market vs the american market is astounding. It's like we got all of american's factory rejects or something.
 
Dietz said:
Some departments don't put hundreds of rounds through a gun before it gets issued. What do you think a cop using his gun do defend his life against an armed criminal will do when his gun ####s the bed. He's gonna die.


The ratio of broken bolts vs non-broken bolts on the canadian market vs the american market is astounding. It's like we got all of american's factory rejects or something.
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I've never broken a bolt myself, granted I've only a couple thousand through my carbine, but I don't believe it happens as often as you'd like to think. I think the problem with notsorichguys bolt was that it was a Canadian manufacturer mass producing, without testing, and hastily manufacturing an item they know will sell like hot cakes.
 
Dietz said:
Some departments don't put hundreds of rounds through a gun before it gets issued. What do you think a cop using his gun do defend his life against an armed criminal will do when his gun ####s the bed. He's gonna die.


The ratio of broken bolts vs non-broken bolts on the canadian market vs the american market is astounding. It's like we got all of american's factory rejects or something.
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That would be if these broken bolts were us made...
ar15 bolt are being made in a few places around the world.
AR15 Bolts a very hard to make, and do tend to crack more then other types of firearms
 
Little a bit of "FACK" today at the range.....

TK-Hryciuk said:
snip* I think the problem with notsorichguys bolt was that it was a Canadian manufacturer mass producing, without testing, and hastily manufacturing an item they know will sell like hot cakes.
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Ding!

The BIGGEST problem I have with the manufacturer, is that they stated that the BCG was Magnetic Particle Tested...... This bolt OBVIOUSLY wasn't.......

Still no contact from the supplier.....
 
notsorichguy said:
I'd love to...... But all I hear is Crickets......

I just re-checked their web site. It NO LONGER states MPI testded...... I know it did, that is why I ordered it in the first palce!

BBB, have any bolts in stock?
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Very interesting! I hope that manufacturer stands behind their product!
 
notsorichguy said:
I'd love to...... But all I hear is Crickets......

I just re-checked their web site. It NO LONGER states MPI testded...... I know it did, that is why I ordered it in the first palce!

BBB, have any bolts in stock?
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yes i do, but they are not mpi tested and they are not us made. Bolt head that is.
and im keeping them all for projects :)
I think the market is in dire need of bolt carriers and peopel will do anything they can do to get them.
Ill say again bolt do break , can happen at 500 rds or 5000, almost nothing can be done to stop it.
But peopel should be aware of what the pay for.
I have broke lots over the years, only brand ive used that not had a lug crack is norinco?? how strange is that.
 
notsorichguy said:
Ding!

The BIGGEST problem I have with the manufacturer, is that they stated that the BCG was Magnetic Particle Tested...... This bolt OBVIOUSLY wasn't.......

Still no contact from the supplier.....
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MPI might not be the problem

Put it this way -- I broke a 8 in file one day at work in half it was a cheep file not name brand --->using it to hold (steady) a part for some one to fit as I was not going to put my fingers under the pc of equipment to hold it
I was a bit shocked when the file broke with only hand pressure

Heat treating makes them hard but if you use the wrong steel or heat treat them wrong they become brittle

PS I did MPI & LPI testing in house (QC) and tested stuff and written up reports / scrap / repair / reweld / rework / send back etc.

One day I was asked to do a quick check on some steel that had been heat treated, ---> Actually to count them before shipment (machined and every thing)-- saw a crack on one pc --.did a MPI -- Called the bosses ---
did several more MPI (with them watching) 5000 lb of steel into the scrap bin --- $$$$$ flush $$$$$
the bosses were not happy but at least it did not go the the customer

Parts that are purchased " Certified" to this Spec can be very expensive to recheck your suppliers product, Some times you have to take there word for it--- and some times S___ Happens that is beyond your control.
 
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TK-Hryciuk said:
This is where your mentality hits a brick wall. Some people can only afford budget firearms and parts, and when those break prematurely, they can't just go out and spend $250 on a new bolt carrier. Some of us have priorities like rent, mortgage, insurance, children, etc. Cost of living is high now, and we all want to enjoy our shooting sports as much as the other. I approve of some of your posts and advice, but half the time you come off as an elitist snob. At no point was anything mentioned about accesories either so I'm not quite sure why that was brought up.
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Nothing needed to be said about accessories. How many "budget" firearms owners run an SKS with a half dozen cheap Chinese accessories bolted to it? In my experience, all of them. Budget is a term to describe a set value over a specific time frame. Check your priorities, you might have to limit yourself to one gun or run a system you can afford to support. Nothing wrong with running something within your "budget". Unfortunately most fail to budget in spare parts and extra magazines(as in 10 or more) when deciding on a firearm. The other common one is ammo. How many threads have there been where a guy buys a hand cannon and then complains he can't find ammo? Its called proper previous planning prevents piss poor performance. Do some research, work the numbers. You might have to WAIT until you have the funds to afford the firearm you want or simply have to choose something else.

TDC
 
Sucks about the damage to the bolt, but at least you had a backup to get out and shooting again while you figure out the replacement!
 
TDC said:
Nothing needed to be said about accessories. How many "budget" firearms owners run an SKS with a half dozen cheap Chinese accessories bolted to it? In my experience, all of them. Budget is a term to describe a set value over a specific time frame. Check your priorities, you might have to limit yourself to one gun or run a system you can afford to support. Nothing wrong with running something within your "budget". Unfortunately most fail to budget in spare parts and extra magazines(as in 10 or more) when deciding on a firearm. The other common one is ammo. How many threads have there been where a guy buys a hand cannon and then complains he can't find ammo? Its called proper previous planning prevents piss poor performance. Do some research, work the numbers. You might have to WAIT until you have the funds to afford the firearm you want or simply have to choose something else.

TDC
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i have to agree with TDC. I'm still putting money towards one platform to get my shooting right. I think im down to 3 guns in general.
 
just having some fun said:
MPI might not be the problem

Put it this way -- I broke a 8 in file one day at work in half it was a cheep file not name brand --->using it to hold (steady) a part for some one to fit as I was not going to put my fingers under the pc of equipment to hold it
I was a bit shocked when the file broke with only hand pressure

Heat treating makes them hard but if you use the wrong steel or heat treat them wrong they become brittle

PS I did MPI & LPI testing in house (QC) and tested stuff and written up reports / scrap / repair / reweld / rework / send back etc.

One day I was asked to do a quick check on some steel that had been heat treated, ---> Actually to count them before shipment (machined and every thing)-- saw a crack on one pc --.did a MPI -- Called the bosses ---
did several more MPI (with them watching) 5000 lb of steel into the scrap bin --- $$$$$ flush $$$$$
the bosses were not happy but at least it did not go the the customer

Parts that are purchased " Certified" to this Spec can be very expensive to recheck your suppliers product, Some times you have to take there word for it--- and some times S___ Happens that is beyond your control.
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This right here.

Whether is was or wasn't mag'd would have no bearing on hardness. It could possibly pass MPI and still fail hardness, which is what looks like happened here :(
 
Update*

I sent off the bolt today in the mail.

They wanted to examine it before making a determination on warranty.....

Right off the bat I was offered a full refund, which was nice, but I have a spare bolt to run in the carrier and I prefer the FA contour. I seems to work the best in my build.....

Anyways, I'll post here once I hear anything.
 
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