LMT or Noveske???
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That actually sounds like a decent rifle build, though for the same money you could just get a complete SR15 - I'm certain you'd be happy with it.
Noveske makes a lot of standard mount barrels, so if you get an LMT upper that takes standard AR barrels (i.e. not an MRP upper), you should be able to install it with standard AR15 tools.
If you want to convert a Noveske barrel to an MRP system barrel, you are talking about a good bit more effort. You might need to locate an MRP barrel and cannibalize it for the conversion parts.
Before you give me your answer:
LMT don’t make there uppers other than MRP. There uppers are like any other ones and the MRP will not take a Noveske barrel.
BTW for most of the Noveske fans they DON’T MAKE THOSE BARRELS....They are made by other people (see PAC-NOR).
So back to the LMT versus Noveske........LMT get’s there MRP barrels from other people also.......and the who makes what goes round and round.
LMT don’t make there uppers other than MRP. There uppers are like any other ones and the MRP will not take a Noveske barrel.
BTW for most of the Noveske fans they DON’T MAKE THOSE BARRELS....They are made by other people (see PAC-NOR).
So back to the LMT versus Noveske........LMT get’s there MRP barrels from other people also.......and the who makes what goes round and round.
Ok I'll bite if I can swoop funds I'll try to get a Noveske and a kac to by summer. This is one of those things I'd rather try and have own to really know. And honestly till a guy has all of them or has used them extensively the differences are likely little. Lots of good info and learning of barrels, good stuff. 
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Sigboy your posts contain so much fail and mis leading info, please stop.
First it's not a pac-nor barrel. John Noveske used to work at pac-nor, he essentially sub-contracts their facility to produce his barrels. He selects his own steel and uses his own processes, tolerances, and tooling.
I posted earlier on what Noveske is now producing on his own, the items I mentioned are being produced by them only until very recently. This is what I was told by Noveske directly. They are working on getting more and more items made in-house as they grow.
Years ago yes, they did sub-contract a lot of their parts to existing manufacturers. But all those parts had Johns own spin on them and he over saw everything that was produced. This is what made John so successful to begin with. Instead of taking all the manufacturing of his components on himself he sub-contracted some of the best machine shops in the USA to help him. That's just smart business.
What makes a Noveske gun is the barrel, that's because what makes a gun is the barrel, simple as that. Yes there's more to his guns to talk about nowadays, but originally that is what Noveske was, a barrel, the best barrel on the market then and still today. His guns are about the best of everything, the milspec parts he doesn't produce he selects from only the best suppliers and machine shops.
Here is a rare tell all interview with John, he's skidish on divulging certain aspects to his business but he does sheld light on a lot of things including how he makes his barrels from start to finish... IMO John Noveske is a brilliant machinist, gunsmith and business man. He's also a nice, down to earth guy too.
You wanna know what makes a Noveske rifle? Have a read...
http://www.defensereview.com/novesk...ecce-carbine-john-noveske-interview-part-one/
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FWIW, Pac-nor knows how to make a good barrel. I've used 4 of their barrels on my long-range precision bolt guns than without exception, they outshot my Krieger, Douglas and Hart barrels on the same actions.
Not a well-known maker up here in Canada, but I have always been pleasantly surprised by the pac-nor stuff I've installed and used.
KAC rifles have LMT charging handels there butt stock and also I have a strong feeling that they make more for the KAC rifle then what they lead us to believe. Also I do like that the LMT upper is a 100% soild not like the Noveske & KAC rifles. Plus I do like the thought concept of a different barrel and bamm 300 black out cause I feel that this cartridge is quite nice in the AR platform although 223 gets some kicks for me also. As for a mix and match since I will be dropping some cake on this rig I don't think I will have to worry about the re-sale value cause it won't be on the chopping block any time soon. Plus think about the great ergo's and trigger of a KAC with a great upper that takes any mil-spec part except the barrel from LMT and then do you seriously think with the laws we have in Canada that I could ever shoot out a Noveske barrel???
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OK fair enough, but that was not my point. The point is there are many people around here who seem to think John doesn't make his own barrels which is wrong. Also you at one point thought that NEA's barrel blanks were the same as the Noveske blanks, this of course is false. While NEA may use a pac-nor barrel blank, John does not. The only thing pac-nor about Johns barrels is the pac-nor machinery he uses to make his own.
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Not a typo...
Not sure what you are seeing at $3,000 (the link you gave didn't work for me), but I couldn't find any Noveske rifles listed on our site at $3,000... there are a couple of models that are as high as $2,880.00 which compares quite well with the $2,555.00 US price tag that Noveske sells the same model for on their website. Add-in the cost for export paperwork, brokerage, shipping, currency, etc. and you get a very modest price difference... which includes our support of the Noveske warranty.
We offer Noveske rifles starting as low as $1,990.00 too
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your lead time of 10 to 14 weeks, is that going to short up anytime soon? more stock in house maybe?
Sorry bad linking, not quite $3000 but @ $2974 its close enough. =o)
https://shopquestar.com/shopping65/shopexd.asp?id=1890&bc=no
I'm a little confuse with the pricing. Every other Noveske Rifles listed on the site have about $300-350 price difference from the US price which is awesome. But this rifle https://shopquestar.com/shopping65/shopexd.asp?id=1890&bc=no Product Code:NOVE-R-LCV-556-SB-GENII is about $580 more( Noveske Site http://noveskerifleworks.com/cgi-bin/imcart/display.cgi?item_id=lcmv-556-sb&cat=137&page=1&search=&since=&status=&title= ). Care to explain pls. Thanks
https://shopquestar.com/shopping65/shopexd.asp?id=1890&bc=no
I'm a little confuse with the pricing. Every other Noveske Rifles listed on the site have about $300-350 price difference from the US price which is awesome. But this rifle https://shopquestar.com/shopping65/shopexd.asp?id=1890&bc=no Product Code:NOVE-R-LCV-556-SB-GENII is about $580 more( Noveske Site http://noveskerifleworks.com/cgi-bin/imcart/display.cgi?item_id=lcmv-556-sb&cat=137&page=1&search=&since=&status=&title= ). Care to explain pls. Thanks
Not a typo...
Not sure what you are seeing at $3,000 (the link you gave didn't work for me), but I couldn't find any Noveske rifles listed on our site at $3,000... there are a couple of models that are as high as $2,880.00 which compares quite well with the $2,555.00 US price tag that Noveske sells the same model for on their website. Add-in the cost for export paperwork, brokerage, shipping, currency, etc. and you get a very modest price difference... which includes our support of the Noveske warranty.
We offer Noveske rifles starting as low as $1,990.00 too
I said they have used the same suppliers, not the same blanks - I think that's a different statement entirely.
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Here's what you said, you removed your NEA reference but the fact still remains...
Your above statement is completely false, John starts with his own sourced steel bar stock cut to 12' lengths. Nobody on earth is using the same blanks as Noveske Rifleworks, they are his own.
Don't know... will have to look into it. That item doesn't show up when I do a listing of all Noveske products by manufacturer name, so that's why I didn't even see it when I looked at pricing of all listed Noveske rifles... something is wrong with that item listing, at least on the surface.
We will look at it when we get back from SHOT... Could be that we based our price on Noveske's new 2012 cost pricing and that Noveske hasn't changed their retail website price based on old inventory... I'm just guessing.
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You have good taste!
Worth every penny IMO, actually it's kinda funny, Noveske accidentally shipped me two sets of Troy flip sights in the box. When I called over there to talk with them on specs, I told him what had happened and he laughed and said consider it a gift from Noveske! I told him I'd be buying a Diplomat soon and that'll even things out then, he laughed and said have a nice day. Great bunch of guys over there, very helpful and said if I ever needed anything to just call, ... He also new I was Canadian.
