LMT vs Stag Piston ARs

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Once again considering buying an AR, and one day, I will get around to it.

The two I'm comparing at the moment are the LMT CQB MRP 16' Gas Piston from Questar, and the Stag Arms 8-R Piston Special Edition from Arms East.

These both look like excellent rifles, the question I have is - what (if anything) makes the LMT worth $1,000 more than the Stag?

Thanks!
 
AJCrowley said:
Once again considering buying an AR, and one day, I will get around to it.

The two I'm comparing at the moment are the LMT CQB MRP 16' Gas Piston from Questar, and the Stag Arms 8-R Piston Special Edition from Arms East.

These both look like excellent rifles, the question I have is - what (if anything) makes the LMT worth $1,000 more than the Stag?

Thanks!
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The LMT MRP includes a Monolithic Rail Platform with quick change barrel system... it's a patented one-piece upper that free floats the barrel and gives you a full quad rail. You could add a full free float quad rail to the STAG but there would be a cost involved so to compare the two firearms properly you need to take that into account.

The beauty of the LMT MRP system is that the same firearm can quickly and easily be re-configured from a 16" Gas Piston Rifle to a 10.5" Direct Impingement Carbine or a 20" DI Rifle... all in about 2 to 3 minutes... while in the field... and all with one simple torque wrench (supplied). All you do is change the barrel (and BCG if going from Gas Piston to DI barrel).

You can even change calibres (same way)... there are .22lr, 9mm, .223/5.56, 6.8 and 204RUGER barrels currently available.

Also, the LMT MRP comes with a SOPMOD stock which itself retails for about $250 to $300 (about $200 to $250 more than the standard M4 type stocks).

Whether the LMT is "worth more" is a decision only the user can make... it depends on what you want the firearm to do... today and in the future.

Mark
 
Questar said:
The LMT MRP includes a Monolithic Rail Platform with quick change barrel system... it's a patented one-piece upper that free floats the barrel and gives you a full quad rail. You could add a full free float quad rail to the STAG but there would be a cost involved so to compare the two firearms properly you need to take that into account.

The beauty of the LMT MRP system is that the same firearm can quickly and easily be re-configured from a 16" Gas Piston Rifle to a 10.5" Direct Impingement Carbine or a 20" DI Rifle... all in about 2 to 3 minutes... while in the field... and all with one simple torque wrench (supplied). All you do is change the barrel (and BCG if going from Gas Piston to DI barrel).

You can even change calibres (same way)... there are .22lr, 9mm, .223/5.56, 6.8 and 204RUGER barrels currently available.

Also, the LMT MRP comes with a SOPMOD stock which itself retails for about $250 to $300 (about $200 to $250 more than the standard M4 type stocks).

Whether the LMT is "worth more" is a decision only the user can make... it depends on what you want the firearm to do... today and in the future.

Mark
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^^^ What he said. The LMT MRP System is like a PS3, It Does Everything!

Heres my rig,

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Im thinking I wanna buy a 10" piston barrel kit for my next config...
 
This is all good info, thanks people.

Sounds like they're both excellent rifles, but the LMT opens up some more options (at additional cost).

Now the question of whether to pay the government the money they want from me, or blow it on a new rifle....maybe I should just sell my SL8-G36 conversion, then have money + new rifle.
 
I love my LMT CQB/MRP 16" piston gun!!! Accurate gun.

Reliability wise, they are optimized for 5.56mm velocities. My observations

1. With LAR 15 magazines, 55gr FMJ Winchester tended to have FTF's and bolt wouldn't lock on last round. This was less pronounced with Federal and Winchester 62gr FMJ, and with 5.56 M193 55gr FMJ, 100% reliable.

2. Even the supplied LMT aluminum magazine, it still wasn't 100% reliable with Commercial 55 gr FMJ like Winchester.

3. With a PMAG, ALL the ammo, including the anemic Winchester 55gr FMJ, ran 100% and bolt locked back 100% too.
 
I open up the forum and someone else has already asked the same question I want answered. It sounds like LMT is the way to go I guess. Has anyone used the Stag though?
 
Stag makes a really great product, their quality is exceptional. Both are top performing rifles. The differance is extra features and if you want to pay for those features. Also Stag cutomer service is top notch, Walter over at Arms East is great to deal with.
 
Yeah, the lifetime warranty with Stag sounds pretty sweet.

I think I'm going to hold on to my G36-alike for now, and save for the LMT.
 
...that is unless anyone wants to trade me for the LMT and a SAN PE90, which believe it or not, is a very reasonable deal. Sometimes I cry myself to sleep when I think of what I've spent on my G36 clone.
 
The LMT is a superior product. However you should consider whether you need to go with the piston or not. I have the regular MRP and its great, I keep looking at the piston kit, but cant seem to get up enough interest to buy one. When the pistons first came out I really wanted one, now not so much.

With the MRP its not just the rails you get, consider the cost associated with adding rails and all the parts and tools needed if you build up another non monolithic type upper.
 
50calshooter said:
Stag makes a really great product, their quality is exceptional. Both are top performing rifles. The differance is extra features and if you want to pay for those features. Also Stag cutomer service is top notch, Walter over at Arms East is great to deal with.
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I'm not thinking I need the features of the LMT. I am going to buy the Stag for a lot less money.
 
USP said:
The LMT is a superior product. However you should consider whether you need to go with the piston or not. I have the regular MRP and its great, I keep looking at the piston kit, but cant seem to get up enough interest to buy one. When the pistons first came out I really wanted one, now not so much.

With the MRP its not just the rails you get, consider the cost associated with adding rails and all the parts and tools needed if you build up another non monolithic type upper.
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how is the accuracy with the MRP? any different than the regular LMT uppers?
 
Not to hijack the thread... With a quick change barrel system wouldn't changing the barrel require re-zeroing the optics, therefore conteracting the speed benefit of the "quick" change system?
 
b_w. said:
how is the accuracy with the MRP? any different than the regular LMT uppers?
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Its good, but you have to make sure your barrel is torqued right, if its lose it seems to shoot abit low. I have a MRP in 10.5 and a regular LMT in 10.5, they are both similar in accuracy.
 
zykopat said:
Not to hijack the thread... With a quick change barrel system wouldn't changing the barrel require re-zeroing the optics, therefore conteracting the speed benefit of the "quick" change system?
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Not a cold hard dose of common sense. Yup you are right, and Flat top AR upper recievers are only $200.
 
zykopat said:
Not to hijack the thread... With a quick change barrel system wouldn't changing the barrel require re-zeroing the optics, therefore conteracting the speed benefit of the "quick" change system?
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Not exactly... since the Monolithic rail is part of the upper receiver and since the barrel change has no effect on the position or mounting of the optic... the ONLY thing that has changed is the barrel. Since you will already know the affect that the changed barrel has on point of impact you simply adjust the sights for that change.

As an example... I have an 18" stainless and a 10.5" CB barrel... I know what my sight adjustments are for both... so when I change from one to the other I can make the necessary sight adjustment to allow for the change in point of impact. It takes only moments.

I don't have to duplicate the cost of the upper receiver, quad rail, optics, etc. which I would have to do if I was using two separate upper halves.

Mark
 
The 8R Govt Models we're selling, not a quick change barrel, but an accurate, selected, milspec 4150 CMV 1/7 MP barrel none the less.
I'm personally shooting an 8R all the time, and it just keeps going and going and going.
I'll admit I'm digging it far more than this piston AR skeptic thought he would.
Operation is fast and smooth and the firearm is accurate.
I'm a Daniel Defence piston rail away from my own personal piston gun nirvana.
Did I mention that I dislike the forced cleaning of firearms.
I think the Stag 8R Govt Model represents good value, particularly as it includes a very good barrel, a good set of front and rear low profile flip sights, and operates flawlessly with a wide range of ammunition.

We also sell the Adams Arms piston conversion kits, for current DI owners who want to retrofit their Stag Arms or other AR carbines for piston operation. The price of the AA units have come down to a far more reasonable level in the past year. Owners seem quite happy with them.
 
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