Load and Make ready question....

I think you're missing my point, but I guess I wasn't entirely clear. During a course of fire, a competitor reaches into a rear pocket and uses a magazine, but while they do so, your realize that the magazine is clearly more than 5cm away from their torso.

nighthawk said:
When the timer starts the competitors equipment must comply with division rules and regulations.
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A magazine that does not start within 5cm of the competitors torso does not comply with the rules and regulations of ANY division, so what happens if the competitor grabs a magazine from a pocket and t's quite clear to you that the magazine is more than 5cm away from the competitor's torso?

You can't simply bump them into open, because they haven't even met the divisional requirements for open.
 
I'd let him compete as is and then laugh when his clown pants fall down and he does a face plant...
 
Chris under your theoretical situation he would end up shooting for no score. however i don't see any way that a mag in a back pocket could be more then 5 cm from the body. also we have to consider rule 5.2.5.2. Any competitor who fails the foregoing test will be required to immediately adjust his holster or equipment to comply with the
requirements of the relevant Division. The Range Master may make allowances for variations in these requirements due to anatomical considerations. Some competitors may not be able to fully comply. So if the competitor was anatomical challenge then it could be nothing. Also he could be ordered to adjust his equipment location through i don't agree with that thought if it happens during a course of fire as opposed to being noticed during a equipment check.
 
I guess it's how you interpret "from the torso" I always considered it "away"...as in a horizontal distance...ie. in the same direction as your spare tire.

I would assume most RM's also consider it that way. Does anyone remember Cliff's experimental rig at the Barrie Nats? All his mags were in a vertical stack along his side. The bottom one would have been much further than 5 cm's from his torso (vertically) and he had no one question the setup...

So...Chris...right rule..wrong direction?
 
Well to add to the mix my understanding is that the comptitors equipment only has to comply at the start beep. So if you have a stage with no mags on your belt and pick up a mag you can place it in any pocket or pouch you like as you will have complied with the division requirements at the starting beep.

So the 'baqgy pants' scenario is OK as long as the mag is no more than 5cm from the body at the start of the stage.
 
The amount of time it takes to dig around, and fumble with mags in pockets......I figure a competitor can put as many as they like into them......back pockets, front pockets, thigh pockets......go nuts! It's a pretty safe bet, that if they are going for mags in their pockets, they aren't winning the stage!
 
7.62mm said:
The amount of time it takes to dig around, and fumble with mags in pockets......I figure a competitor can put as many as they like into them......back pockets, front pockets, thigh pockets......go nuts! It's a pretty safe bet, that if they are going for mags in their pockets, they aren't winning the stage!
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yep,...this is a common sense answer...I would facebook "Like" this...
 
I recall being told at a level 3 last year, I would be in Open if I placed a mag in my mouth... after the beep.>LOL. I had no energy to argue....
 
We have some really great RO's in IpSc but we do have a number that need to read the rule book and stick to what it says and not try to interpret it or creatively apply the rules.
 
Well, taken to an extreme point....

Competitor is shooting a multi string standard exercise. On string 1, they do a typical "shoot, reload, shoot" and then load for their next string, tossing their magazines on the ground in front of them.

Next string is a go prone and shoot. They go prone, and have a malfunction. In clearing the malfunction, they drop their magazine, clear and reload with a magazine that's on the ground in front of them.

Legal? The magazines were in the right place at the beginning of the stage (but not the string). An extreme case, but one that I've actually seen happen.
 
What would be the point of Punishing them?.....They already had a Malfunction!
If they didn't have a malfunction, and grabbed a mag off the ground, instead of their belt, I could see it. Why would a RO allow there to be a mag on the ground in the first place? That is probably the bigger question.
 
IMHO, it's this type of nit-picky attitude that has taken some of the fun out of IPSC over the last several years. There is no clear advantage to a mag in a pocket, so why is it even an issue?
 
Once the start signal is done you can take all your mags and do whatever you want with them.
 
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