Loaded & closed on the Trap field

3macs1 said:
I am not disputing it just saying I have never seen it but I am a skeet shooter not a serious trap shooter. That being said I am an American by birth and have shot quite a few clubs in ther US with my brothers who still live there and they all have the same rule.This is one of the clubs
http://www.lochravenskeettrap.com/saftey.htm
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There probably are many clubs with that rule as your experience has shown. If they throw registered trap targets, I would be willing to bet (and I'm not a gambler) that that rule is not enforced. If it was, many would not return.
 
Beretta687EELL said:
There probably are many clubs with that rule as your experience has shown. If they throw registered trap targets, I would be willing to bet (and I'm not a gambler) that that rule is not enforced. If it was, many would not return.
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No pun intended but I think you are bang on. I spoke to my brother in Ohio who is pretty well within a few hours of trap heaven if I recall correctly.
He said most of the clubs he has shot at during events or with ranked shooters on the line accept the closed gun on the 5 stations to quicken the flow.However with the amatures or during most practise sessions it is closed gun for shooter only for most clubs but not all. Seems each club turns the rule into what they want.
Now that makes sense and probally why I have only seen open gun since I am just an amature & newbie to any club I have shot at ..
 
Beretta687EELL said:
There probably are many clubs with that rule as your experience has shown. If they throw registered trap targets, I would be willing to bet (and I'm not a gambler) that that rule is not enforced. If it was, many would not return.
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I don't know of any local clubs with that rule. While I don't close my gun until the previous shooter is finished I wouldn't support two sets of rules for practice and competition. If practice rounds are to have any value they should be conducted under the same rules as competition.
 
That's actually exactly what's happening at Vancouver Gun Club this weekend with provincials. The club rule is that actions must remain open until it's your turn to shoot, but everyone has been told not to hassle anyone that doesn't abide by it as we expect many out-of-towners, and we don't want to appear to be anything but accommodating lest some folks be from clubs that reload right away.

And I was under the impression that the wording of that specific rule has been under debate for quite a while now? And just to further muddy the waters, it's the PITA rulebook out west that states a gun cannot be loaded until a shooter is at the "firing point," not the firing line.
 
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Few years back, I was shooting on station #1, the scorer did not call end. I lost track of my targets and raised my gun to shoot again. I was then told it was time to move. I lowered my gun cracked the action open and took the three steps or so to station #2, with a shell in the action. The range officer then proceeded to bite my head off, because in his opinion my gun was loaded.
It was the last time I broke targets at this club. Regimented rules and taking things too serious is one of the reasons I drifted away from trap. I now enjoy sporting clay or skeet, where we shoot as a group and laugh, insult each other shooting and have great time. I still shoot trap from time to time at a much more relaxed club. To each their own.
 
Claybuster said:
I don't know of any local clubs with that rule. While I don't close my gun until the previous shooter is finished I wouldn't support two sets of rules for practice and competition. If practice rounds are to have any value they should be conducted under the same rules as competition.
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This has been a good thread with lots of info exhanged.
Although I have the ATA rules book, I have not delved int it , and always took for granted you were omnly allowed to close your gun when it was your turn to shoot!:p
Even now however, i will not do that, an prefer myself to have an open gun, and that s also our club policy.
However, many clubs have slightly different riules, and they sometimes depart from general fire arms safety policies and genberal rules, as in racking closed O/U and SXS guns closed, but aksing to have semis and pumps open.
There are arguments for both, the one thinging being that the break actions have no magazine and would naturally be empty, the other being that even a break action gun could accidently have a shell put int it before eing closed.
It's an ongoing discussion, for sure!
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JIMMY 808 said:
Breaking a rhythm to a squad is all bad
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Screw the squad and their so called flow.If they knew how to really shoot it would not make any difference if the guy next to them takes his time and closed the action just when it is his turn to shoot Want to break their focus, screw the flow and get in their heads walk up to the line with a 870 28ga pump and start running them. By the 4th station at first even the best of shooters are off their game, watching every move you make and usually drop a bird or two as a result.
I am not a competitive trap shooter but was a competitive skeet shooter for many years and like my old man always told me and he has been gone since the mid 70's shooting is more mental than ability.
 
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3macs1 said:
Screw the squad and their so called flow.If they knew how to really shoot it would not make any difference if the guy next to them takes his time and closed the action just when it is his turn to shoot Want to break their focus, screw the flow and get in their heads walk up to the line with a 870 28ga pump and start running them. By the 4th station at first even the best of shooters are off their game, watching every move you make and usually drop a bird or two as a result.
I am not a competitive trap shooter but was a competitive skeet shooter for many years and like my old man always told me and he has been gone since the mid 70's shooting is more mental than ability.
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I bet you were very completive in D class lol
 
JIMMY 808 said:
I bet you were very completive in D class lol
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At least I shot in competition and made a class. It is simple put a grand in the hand of the guy running the club and bring your best game and we will see what class I was. I have nothing to prove since I was more than likely winning shoots before you were not even born. Have the patches and awards to prove it
If you can run 392-398 out of 400 in a 4 gun event then your grand maybe safe, if not best keep it and your mouth shut
In fact I will even shoot the 28ga head to head with your 12ga and still kick your sorry ass.
I just shoot for fun now but love putting trolls in their place and can turn back into that old skeet robot in a minute.
I could use the grand however have my eye on a new gun.
 
3macs1 said:
Put a grand in the hand of the guy running the club and bring your best game and we will see what class I was. I have nothing to prove since I was more than likely winning shoots where you were not even born. Have the patches and awards to prove it
If you can run 392-398 out of 400 in a 4 gun event then your grand maybe safe, if not best keep it and your mouth shut
In fact I will even shoot the 28ga head to head with your 12ga and still kick your sorry ass.
I just shoot for fun now but love putting trolls in their place and can turn back into that old skeet robot in a minute.
I could use the grand however have my eye on a new gun.
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How this you shoot your 28 ga and I will shoot a 12 ga at 27 yards for a grand and yes I believe you were winning shoots before I was born skeet is dead and has been for a long time.
 
JIMMY 808 said:
How this you shoot your 28 ga and I will shoot a 12 ga at 27 yards for a grand and yes I believe you were winning shoots before I was born skeet is dead and has been for a long time.
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Be very very careful the Skeet "Zombies" may hear your comments and they can be terribly vengeful.
 
3macs1 said:
Yep a 28ga at 27 yards is a real effective combo?? Is that the advantage you need to win??

Good bye troll
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And this is my well come to the forum as a clay target shooter I would like to think we’re all gentlemen men. Funny how we feel safe behind are key boards do I need an advantage of him shooting a 28 ga from 27 yards maybe he is professing to be a very accomplished shooter. Heck we might even now each other but as we hide behind are nick names on the board not much will ever come of this. Will I resort to name calling and calling BS no to many actual shooters out there that I shoot with that I am sure use this board.
 
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JIMMY 808 said:
And this is my well come to the forum as a clay target shooter I would like to think we’re all genital men. Funny how we feel safe behind are key boards do I need an advantage of him shooting a 28 ga from 27 yards maybe he is professing to be a very accomplished shooter. Heck we might even now each other but as we hide behind are nick names on the board not much will ever come of this. Will I resort to name calling and calling BS no to many actual shooters out there that I shoot with that I am sure use this board.
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Did you mean gentlemen or "genital men".
 
3macs1 said:
Screw the squad and their so called flow.If they knew how to really shoot it would not make any difference if the guy next to them takes his time and closed the action just when it is his turn to shoot Want to break their focus, screw the flow and get in their heads walk up to the line with a 870 28ga pump and start running them. By the 4th station at first even the best of shooters are off their game, watching every move you make and usually drop a bird or two as a result.
I am not a competitive trap shooter but was a competitive skeet shooter for many years and like my old man always told me and he has been gone since the mid 70's shooting is more mental than ability.
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There are provisions in the ATA rule book to address competitors who disrupt the "harmony" of a shoot and excessively disrupting a squad qualifies.
Shooters who feel the need to "game" other competitors are only telegraphing a lack of confidence in their own shooting ability. Anyone who hopes to get a couple of extra targets by being a complete #### on the line must believe that he really, really needs them. Once realizing what the guy's problem is then it's a small matter to ignore his petty crap and shoot your own round.
 
JIMMY 808 said:
And this is my well come to the forum as a clay target shooter I would like to think we’re all gentlemen men. Funny how we feel safe behind are key boards do I need an advantage of him shooting a 28 ga from 27 yards maybe he is professing to be a very accomplished shooter. Heck we might even now each other but as we hide behind are nick names on the board not much will ever come of this. Will I resort to name calling and calling BS no to many actual shooters out there that I shoot with that I am sure use this board.
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Sorry but your welcome to the form was well over a year ago jan 2010 with two posts until today.
That is normally a troll.
If not my apologies and welcome. I would say the same to you face to face I don't hide behind anything and if you knew me you would quickly see why.
There are only two things that scare me in life one is the oilman when he comes and the other is th gas pump. take care
 
Claybuster said:
There are provisions in the ATA rule book to address competitors who disrupt the "harmony" of a shoot and excessively disrupting a squad qualifies.
Shooters who feel the need to "game" other competitors are only telegraphing a lack of confidence in their own shooting ability. Anyone who hopes to get a couple of extra targets by being a complete #### on the line must believe that he really, really needs them. Once realizing what the guy's problem is then it's a small matter to ignore his petty crap and shoot your own round.
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Come on claybuster how long have you been at this game.You don't have to disrupt the harmony of a shoot to get into someones head.Also when did that become not part of any sport trap included.As a kid I watched a nova scotia hall of fame trap shooter who competed all over the world shoot weekly and he was one of the best shooters in the game at that time and also one of the best for intentionally getting into his competitions head and he was never ejected.
I don't care what sport you participate in that is always part of the game and always will be.
There is a huge difference between being a #### and fair competition. I have never been disqualified so I must not be a #### just competitive nor do I play games on the firing line.I have you beat before we get there. I guess when two boxers meet in the center of the ring and stare each other down they are just trying to feel the love. I am talking competition here not a weekend local shoot with the boys. take care
 
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