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[redflagmat]

You're awfully defensive of their price structure - you linked to them in some way are you?

My point, that you are either clearly missing, or being willfully dismissive of, is this:

If one considers the costs of $1700 for a receiver set or $2050 for a complete rifle (before tax),
subtracting the receiver set from a completed base model rifle, the rest of the components including the barrel would appear by most reasonable counts to be more than $350 retail.

It stands to reason then that Lockhart recognizes there are a lot of people out there with complete ARs and are looking to cash in on that misfortune by selling overly inflated priced receivers.

People are fooling themselves if they think these won't get swept up further down the road in more bans through 'ever-greening'.

They'd be better off to keep their ARs as is, and donate the cash that they'd otherwise use to pad Lockhart's wallet to fight the LIEbrals.

And no, it cannot be summarized by "This is firearm pricing in Canada now".

Yes we are agreeing it’s a better deal/price point for entire rifle. What they are doing is called up selling/suggestive selling. Every business does it, so I don’t understand why firearm companies have to cater to firearm owners. You want to save money, buy the full rifle, take off the parts you don’t need, and sell the extra parts.

If people weren’t buying them they would have to lower prices, but it looks like TNA sold out of 60 builder kits in a day or two, G4C sold out of 50 rifles in a day. So the demand is there and it’s a free market. The solution, don’t buy if you think it’s inflated.

 

[beltfed]

Up Selling...Every business does it, so I don’t understand why firearm companies have to cater to firearm owners.

Huh?

want to save money, buy the full rifle, take off the parts you don’t need, and sell the extra parts.

There is very little market for bargain bin AR components, so one is left stripping them off, adding their better-than components and having these parts sit and collect dust, so no one is fooled with the 'savings' as you propose. The reality is they are gouging on the pricing of the receivers, not offering a 'deal' with a complete rifle.

people weren’t buying them they would have to lower prices, but it looks like TNA sold out of 60 builder kits in a day or two, G4C sold out of 50 rifles in a day. So the demand is there and it’s a free market. The solution, don’t buy if you think it’s inflated.

Compared to tens of thousands of ARs in Canada? Selling a few builder kits to those that are desperate isn't quite the measure of success that you think it is.
I think it's excessive and they have largely priced themselves out of the market, but yeah, people will definitely vote with their wallets.

 

[digital.allied]

You have to spend ~$1700 just to get a receiver set with last round bolt hold open capability?

Sounds like highway robbery to me.

so 556 builders kits recently went for 1400 and included the top ambi charging handle, and a mag. unlike most "ar-ish" receiver kits from days past it included the bolt carrier... and it was skeletonized. thats a part that would be 2-300 bucks on an ar. the price is high but its not as high as it first looks... should the quality be there. weren't modern sporter sets like 1kish?? or am i out to lunch here

 

[MacPapRonin]

I want Lockhart Tactical to succeed and sell many firearms, I really do. For sake of fairness, though, I thought I should link this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/canadaguns/comments/13imygp/raven_556_bolt_carrier_an_undeniable_but/

Hopefully they get the design fixed and the cost of replacing bolt carriers for everyone who already purchased is not overwhelming.

Go Lockhart Tactical! The more Canadian firearms manufacturers competing, the better quality the domestic design and manufacturing has to be to compete. Take notice Kodiak, BCL and Crusader Arms!

 

[mrsmitty]

I nearly pulled the trigger on one of these this morning. Glad I took another look. Man our Canadian manufacturers need to get their acts together.

 

[MacPapRonin]

I nearly pulled the trigger on one of these this morning. Glad I took another look. Man our Canadian manufacturers need to get their acts together.

I'm still planning on seeing if I can get a LH Raven 308 once I've saved up the cash and/or C-21 is resolved. We shall see!

 

[redflagmat]

I want Lockhart Tactical to succeed and sell many firearms, I really do. For sake of fairness, though, I thought I should link this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/canadaguns/comments/13imygp/raven_556_bolt_carrier_an_undeniable_but/

Hopefully they get the design fixed and the cost of replacing bolt carriers for everyone who already purchased is not overwhelming.

Go Lockhart Tactical! The more Canadian firearms manufacturers competing, the better quality the domestic design and manufacturing has to be to compete. Take notice Kodiak, BCL and Crusader Arms!

Just for some context here. The user switched out the stock buffer to aftermarket heavier buffer. Didn’t clean at 200 round mark that Lockhart recommends. They also noticed something wonky at the last 40 rounds (750+ rounds total) and didn’t disassemble to check, just continued firing by pulling back top charging handle.

Anyways having said that the 9mm has a solid bolt carrier group so if this continues to be a problem (or a one offf) the manufacturer has said they are in process of manufacturing a replacement solid option. All this is from the thread.

 

[Ipscshooters]

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[the radium king]

Just for some context here. The user switched out the stock buffer to aftermarket heavier buffer. Didn’t clean at 200 round mark that Lockhart recommends. They also noticed something wonky at the last 40 rounds (750+ rounds total) and didn’t disassemble to check, just continued firing by pulling back top charging handle.

Anyways having said that the 9mm has a solid bolt carrier group so if this continues to be a problem (or a one offf) the manufacturer has said they are in process of manufacturing a replacement solid option. All this is from the thread.

not a one-off; thread also notes that vendor acknowledges this an issue on multiple firearms.
gun should not break if you don't clean it. malfunction sure. not destroy itself.
heavy buffer not an issue - vendor sells the same components as part of a build kit where you would have the ability to add whatever buffer you like.

i think you are stretching your apologist abilities a bit.

 

[OkayShooter]

I want Lockhart Tactical to succeed and sell many firearms, I really do. For sake of fairness, though, I thought I should link this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/canadaguns/comments/13imygp/raven_556_bolt_carrier_an_undeniable_but/

Hopefully they get the design fixed and the cost of replacing bolt carriers for everyone who already purchased is not overwhelming.

Go Lockhart Tactical! The more Canadian firearms manufacturers competing, the better quality the domestic design and manufacturing has to be to compete. Take notice Kodiak, BCL and Crusader Arms!

Biggest problem is him. He needs to work on his custom service. But he is a drop shipper and that doesnt fly well with alot of people. I had bad exp with him, so has many. His customer service was why I don't support him. Alot of other business stopped doing business. You may be new but he has a history.

 

[pirate604]

Biggest problem is him. He needs to work on his custom service. But he is a drop shipper and that doesnt fly well with alot of people. I had bad exp with him, so has many. His customer service was why I don't support him. Alot of other business stopped doing business. You may be new but he has a history.

Nailed in on the CS and drop shipper rep. This is why I am super skeptical about ordering any of their rifles, which sucks. I do hope that it gets sorted out and that they are able to stand behind their product. Last thing we need is another BCL...

 

[MacPapRonin]

Biggest problem is him. He needs to work on his custom service. But he is a drop shipper and that doesnt fly well with alot of people. I had bad exp with him, so has many. His customer service was why I don't support him. Alot of other business stopped doing business. You may be new but he has a history.

I'm aware he has a history, it's important that people know this as well. Thanks for reminding people who are reading this.

I'm hoping he's maybe turned over a new leaf. We'll see.

 

[redflagmat]

not a one-off; thread also notes that vendor acknowledges this an issue on multiple firearms.
gun should not break if you don't clean it. malfunction sure. not destroy itself.
heavy buffer not an issue - vendor sells the same components as part of a build kit where you would have the ability to add whatever buffer you like.

i think you are stretching your apologist abilities a bit.

I don’t think you understand the definition of “context.”

 

[the radium king]

I don’t think you understand the definition of “context.”

i do. there is a difference between putting something in context and making excuses for something. your post does not read like context, it reads like someone trying to say the owner contributed to the failure because: not clean, heavier buffer, used it until it broke.

i maintain my position that none of those things are the cause of the failure nor should have contributed to it in any way. as such your post was not context but rather distraction, excuses.

 

[redflagmat]

i do. there is a difference between putting something in context and making excuses for something. your post does not read like context, it reads like someone trying to say the owner contributed to the failure because: not clean, heavier buffer, used it until it broke.

i maintain my position that none of those things are the cause of the failure nor should have contributed to it in any way. as such your post was not context but rather distraction, excuses.

Maybe you read it that way because you’re in the business of hating on Canadian manufacturers. Instead I like to support them. It’s hard enough running a business in this country let alone a firearm business, and I like to give them benefit of the doubt instead. How someone used a firearm before it breaking is important, whether it contributed or not. Because then you have a sample to compare it to.

Anyways they are replacing the bolt carrier for everyone and that’s great news.

 

[digital.allied]

Just for some context here. The user switched out the stock buffer to aftermarket heavier buffer. Didn’t clean at 200 round mark that Lockhart recommends. They also noticed something wonky at the last 40 rounds (750+ rounds total) and didn’t disassemble to check, just continued firing by pulling back top charging handle.

Anyways having said that the 9mm has a solid bolt carrier group so if this continues to be a problem (or a one offf) the manufacturer has said they are in process of manufacturing a replacement solid option. All this is from the thread.

i gotta add that the gas looks to be opened way up based on the 6 oclock ejection marks on the receiver. a lightweight bcg is part of a system... captured ar buffers dont even work for all ars... using one for a proprietary bcg/receiver is iffy. nevermind changing the weight. lots of things going on here! properly adjusting the gas would be a good place to start before swapping out parts. yikes.

 

[the radium king]

Maybe you read it that way because you’re in the business of hating on Canadian manufacturers. Instead I like to support them. It’s hard enough running a business in this country let alone a firearm business, and I like to give them benefit of the doubt instead. How someone used a firearm before it breaking is important, whether it contributed or not. Because then you have a sample to compare it to.

Anyways they are replacing the bolt carrier for everyone and that’s great news.

actually i'm one of the guys that support canadian manufacturers. i do have issues with lockhart as do a lot of other people. i'm objective enough however to see past that and let the gun stand on its own merits. and for me the take away from the reddit thread was that the vendor admitted that lots of bcgs were breaking. that trumps how the firearm was used/abused (although if anyone can turn the gas up and break the gun then it is a design that needs fixing).

you seemed quick to ignore the vendors admission and go straight to how the gun was unloved and must have died of a broken heart instead.

where the gun and the vendor crossover is how the support happens. i have little faith in lockhart, and less given the mode of failure. when the cost of a bcg is probably pretty close to what his profit is on one of these things he can't afford to be giving them away for much longer. and when he's gone where do you find the proprietary parts to fix it yourself?

 

[fritzhanzel]

Nailed in on the CS and drop shipper rep. This is why I am super skeptical about ordering any of their rifles, which sucks. I do hope that it gets sorted out and that they are able to stand behind their product. Last thing we need is another BCL...

I did not hear any concerns recently. Just buy whatever you want and don't start spreading rumors.

I am on the Siberian fb forum and it is swamped now with people saying the Siberian is #### and the Lockhart is the way to go.

Do I smell some kind of scheme going on? People are not as stupid as you think they are.

 

[rommelrommel]

Bolt carriers shouldn’t bend from too much gas, let’s be serious. Bad design, and being corrected. What I would be concerned about is how many of the proprietary parts are also of bad design and whether the gun gets supported for long.

 

[sogone2day]

Bolt carriers shouldn’t bend from too much gas, let’s be serious. Bad design, and being corrected. What I would be concerned about is how many of the proprietary parts are also of bad design and whether the gun gets supported for long.

Look like bolt carrier group which hopefully is fixed with this new gen2, bolt hold open function due to cartier design and rear charger handle looks like. Othervthan that looks like all ar parts.