Long Range Weapon Recommendations
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surplus can stabilize past 700m in a 20" barrel?? i need this surplus!!!
i was using 47gr of varget with a 155gr scenar. it barely stayed supersonic at 900m. and the groups i was getting at 800 were around 3 moa with the sps aac-sd.
that is pushing it.
if i were you i just keep the rifle as is. it shoots that well get some good glass on it and get into shooting precision or f class .
i was using 47gr of varget with a 155gr scenar. it barely stayed supersonic at 900m. and the groups i was getting at 800 were around 3 moa with the sps aac-sd.
that is pushing it.
if i were you i just keep the rifle as is. it shoots that well get some good glass on it and get into shooting precision or f class .
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Oh you were considering making your 1" groups @1000y with surplus .308?
Good plan. Don't forget to drill the ends, hollow points are more accurate than full metal jacket.
yes...308
Surplus
between 700-1000yds with 60-70% accuracy.
I would assume it's because i am shooting the same ammo all the time that i get this result.
It would get better if i was using better quality.....which from the looks of it i am needing to do.
The mossberg has a 22" barrel, and the Rem is a 20".
I've had better accuracy from the mossberg which is obvious because of the extra bit of barrel.
With the ammo though, i have noticed that the Romanian surplus is a little less accurate. Not sure if it is because of the corosive properties to it, but i get better results from the Czech stuff, and it doesn't seem to coat the bore as much either.
Never heard of drilling the ends.
About what diameter and depth should i drill?
I have heard of guys melting a plastic or something into the hole, to void the spot but desintigrate on impact........has anyone heard have f this, or tried it?
i'd guess that it would have to be fused in there pretty good to not burn off on transit, or fall off from the heat of the round.
Thoughts?
I knew i couldn't be the only one out there.
I haven't tested how far i can reach yet....but i want to see the max before i am forced to upgrade to something bigger.
I love the challenge of using a .308 to get out that far.....and hopefully being effective.
I'd sure like to see some pics of that shooting, that kind of stuff is world record worthy... so I am not very convinced... in fact without some proof on that kind of claim I would say you are so full of it that it is leaking out every orifice of you.
http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2007/07/sarver-shoots-1403-group-at-1000-yards/
That said, if you are some hidden world record holder afraid of recognition, go with a .338LM or .50BMG for your long range results, tune your platform, tune your loads, and start shooting.
There are countless wildcats that will outperform these cartridges, but usually at the expense of decreased barrel life and increased platform and component cost.
Just my .02.
http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2007/07/sarver-shoots-1403-group-at-1000-yards/
That said, if you are some hidden world record holder afraid of recognition, go with a .338LM or .50BMG for your long range results, tune your platform, tune your loads, and start shooting.
There are countless wildcats that will outperform these cartridges, but usually at the expense of decreased barrel life and increased platform and component cost.
Just my .02.
exactly.
when i first started, i would do 20 rounds at 100, 20 at 150....etc, stepping out at 50yd ranges.
Once i would start to notice where the group counts were falling, i would step back in 50yds, and do 40rds and then take a 30min break, walk it off, then 5rds at that same yardage and step it out 50 again to see what the result is.
I think that each one of us has a methotical way of doing it, and correcting our issues, then moving forward.....but that is how i started it off, and it seemed to work for me.
Mako22, first of all, welcome to CGN.
As far as your first and second posts are concerned:
1- Shooting, of any shape or form is a great sport, enjoy.
2- Lots of expertise on CGN, be polite, ask as many questions as you would like,
the guys are great and WILL help out as much as possible.
3- Most expert shooters on CGN have been shooting targets for many, many years, a mistake or (God forbib BS)
is sometimes not appreciated or welcomed. In my case, I'm just an old bastard !
4- As a newbie, you should take advantage of the expertise, some humility will go a long way.
5- I've been shooting for about 14 years, 308 in particular, have about $6,000 in gear and load my own rounds.
The best I can do, with $3,000 in optics is about 12" to 16" (on a good day) at 1000 yards. I cannot read the wind worth shyt.
6- If you decide to join CGN and take advantage of the wisdome available, I would let everyone know how much you enjoy
LR shooting and that you are willing to take some advice into consideration.
7- If you would like to go out and do some shooting with me, I would be happy to take you out. Be prepared to shoot
.4 MOA or better at 300 yards. Yes, I'm an old fart, but, at 300 yards I can still see and dont have to worry about windage.
Please shoot safely and most important, HAVE FUN !!
Understandable skepticism......
I at no time would indicate that i am hitting solid at 1000yds, but i am putting rounds on target.
As previously mentioned, its about 60-70% accurate at 700yds, progressively falling off to larger groupings as the range goes longer.
I am definitely not a world class marksman....hahahahaha.....but i think maybe a bit of luck, and drop of talent may be in play with my results.
Plus, 1000's of rounds downrange doesn't hurt either.
As for a .338LM or a .50BMG, that would be dreamy....but like i said, cost effectiveness is always in mind. How am i going to put 1000 rounds downrange with a .50BMG when the cost of those rounds are so high?
I shoot for the enjoyment.....and don't mind paying for it.
But that is why i chose .308, as it is one of the few larger rounds that has a compatible NATO twin that is in massive surplus around the world.
Are you sure you're talking about .308 Winchester / 7.62x51mm NATO? And, just to further clarify, you're certain that you mean 1-1.5 inch groups at up to 1000 yards, not 1-1.5 Minutes Of Angle?
I've got zero chops as a long range shooter so maybe I'm just ignorant, but this doesn't seem to add up right to me.
Definitely appreciate the hospitality.
If i'm ever in the OTT area, i'll be down with that for sure. I'm out in BC.
I could say that i've shot for many years....but that would be a crock, as the shooting times have been broken up over many years, so there has been little consistancy until the last 4-5 years....which has been nice to get out there more regularly.
I hear you on the wind reading though.
I put up a bunch of flaggers tape on poles down my (self made) range hidden miles into the bush in a clear cut section, and it helps, but there is definitely an art to watching the wind, and knowing how it will effect the flight path.
look forward to all the help and info from the vast knowledge in the group.
thx.
Before you start drilling your Norinco surplus bullets for 1000 yard head shots check this out.
It's weird you were getting better results with a 22" barrel over 20" because shorter barrels are more accurate than longer barrels
More at link.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...t-barrel-length-muzzle-velocity-and-accuracy/
Mind blown.
Fair enough Maco22.
You have an open invitation to shoot in Ottawa anytime you wish, just PM me.
Again, welcome to CGN and shoot safely !!!!!!!!!!
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