Looking for 45 degree BUIS?

grinrgrn said:
Really liking the low profile of the XS-ITS 45o/s....not liking the price so much though,lol....compared to the $30 Amazon sights though,the XS sights are lower(better snag resistance),tritium enhanced,and look to be pretty solid?
https://www.xssights.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=993112&CAT=8279
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XS canted sights look good but reviews are worrying. People say they're so low that you can hardly get your eye behind it on an AR. This would be solved if your rail is higher above the cheekrest.
Also it seems that the sight plane can be obstructed by large accessories on the top rail like your scope turret.

crashcollins said:
I'd consider them if I could find lefthanded.
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Seems Magpul will release a left-handed version of their offset BUS.
 
If you know you don't need a backup, then you won't want a BUIS. Obviously.
If you think you might need a backup, or you might need to shoot up close, 45° flip-up sights don't weigh much and are unobtrusive.
Non-flip up 45° sights do need more gun safe space.
 
Brian46 said:
What optics are you using that are fogging up?

Who else has these problems? I thought this was only for the chepest of optics....the only scope I ever had an issue with was a bushnell 30 years ago.

I have never had issue with my Zeiss, meopta, IOR, S&B, Leupold, etc glass even in snow storms and pouring rain they have stayed clear
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I've seen literally every optic brand get obscured by enough rain and they all get obscured by opaque material. Zeiss, Leupold, IOR, S&B, Meopta, high end Vortex, Premier, March, Aimpoint, Eotech, Shield, Trijicon, everything. If you end up in mud puddles with your gun, there's no coating that makes it magically clean instantly. And if you're moving from one temperature to another, quickly, your optic will fog externally.

Besides which, if you're hitting targets at 500m and 5m repeatedly, it's WAY faster to switch back and forth between two optics than to either try to work a 6x or 8x at 5m, or even to work a cattail.

Just because you haven't gone far enough to find the need, doesn't mean the need isn't there. Offset sights have their uses.
 
Brian46 said:
What optics are you using that are fogging up?
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Ummmm...all of'em?Havent found a scope yet that cannot,does not,will not EVER fail?I'm a stillhunter/spot&stalker by preference,and an all weather hunter by stubbornness,necessity,and probly lack of good judgement at times...not a big fan of scope caps,as I've yet to find the perfect solution in that regard,and I've never heard of a scope that still functions after ducking under a spruce branch and filling the objective and/or eyepiece with snow?Extreme fog,extreme rain,extreme snow/freezing rain,extreme cold when an errant breath while shouldering a rifle and waiting for the shot can instantly glaze to ice.....no matter what high-end label is stamped on the tube,scopes can let you down.
 
misanthropist said:
I've seen literally every optic brand get obscured by enough rain and they all get obscured by opaque material. Zeiss, Leupold, IOR, S&B, Meopta, high end Vortex, Premier, March, Aimpoint, Eotech, Shield, Trijicon, everything. If you end up in mud puddles with your gun, there's no coating that makes it magically clean instantly. And if you're moving from one temperature to another, quickly, your optic will fog externally.

Besides which, if you're hitting targets at 500m and 5m repeatedly, it's WAY faster to switch back and forth between two optics than to either try to work a 6x or 8x at 5m, or even to work a cattail.

Just because you haven't gone far enough to find the need, doesn't mean the need isn't there. Offset sights have their uses.
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I have not had an issue and I have hunted extreme conditions like you mention
 
wildphil24 said:
XS canted sights look good but reviews are worrying. People say they're so low that you can hardly get your eye behind it on an AR. This would be solved if your rail is higher above the cheekrest.
Also it seems that the sight plane can be obstructed by large accessories on the top rail like your scope turret.


Seems Magpul will release a left-handed version of their offset BUS.
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Yes,I have indeed read reviews that the XS sights can in fact be too low profile for some platforms,which I agree is worrisome and a potentially expensive experiment.
Moot point now,as I've decided to go with piggybacked irons vs. 45s anyhow.
 
Brian46 said:
I have not had an issue and I have hunted extreme conditions like you mention
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Keep at it...you'll find those conditions eventually. I have seen them a hundred times.

Downpour, slung rifles to a snap shot

Subzero temps stepping into heated buildings

Running to a target in heavy rain

Hitting the deck in a mud puddle

I could go on but these will take out any scope briefly. If all you do is hunt, you might never see this stuff, I guess.

Not everybody just hunts though.
 
Brian46 said:
Who actually uses these things? I keep hearing guys say how usefull they are if your oiptic fails but what optics are people using that fail?

I would literaly have to smash the rifle on the ground or run it over to kill it and then the BUIS are also going to be broken and probably the rifle too.
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Brian46 -- grinrgrn covered this pint very well.

I would say in the case of hunting & having let say a coyote running in towards the shooter & you have too much magnification & no time to turn down your scope so you tilt to .45 & use the iron sights..
 
misanthropist said:
Keep at it...you'll find those conditions eventually. I have seen them a hundred times.

Downpour, slung rifles to a snap shot

Subzero temps stepping into heated buildings

Running to a target in heavy rain

Hitting the deck in a mud puddle

I could go on but these will take out any scope briefly. If all you do is hunt, you might never see this stuff, I guess.

Not everybody just hunts though.
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All I do is hunt,and I've experienced most of these^^ scenarios.The potential to need BUS is not exclusive to those who hunt 2-legged upright animals.....but if I miss an opp at the buck of a lifetime because my optics failed,or an $80 yotie pelt escapes unscathed over the rim of the coulee,it's not the end of my world.....other's mileage may vary?

One can name drop and praise all of the high-end/big$$ optics you can think of.....but the engineers of ACOGs and Elcans seem to agree that it's a good idea to integrate fixed irons atop of their battle proven,undisputed leading edge optics.....'nuff said,good enuf for me,I rest my case,grinr out.....Baaaaammmm!
 
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grinrgrn said:
All I do is hunt,and I've experienced most of these^^ scenarios.The potential to need BUS is not exclusive to those who hunt 2-legged upright animals.....but if I miss an opp at the buck of a lifetime because my optics failed,or an $80 yotie pelt escapes unscathed over the rim of the coulee,it's not the end of my world.....other's mileage may vary?

One can name drop and praise all of the high-end/big$$ optics you can think of.....but the engineers of ACOGs and Elcans seem to agree that it's a good idea to integrate fixed irons atop of their battle proven,undisputed leading edge optics.....'nuff said,good enuf for me,I rest my case,grinr out.....Baaaaammmm!
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Well, fair enough then...some hunters apparently run their gear hard enough to experience this stuff too.

The bottom line for me is that,whether you've personally experienced it or not, if you genuinely can't imagine a situation in which it would be extremely helpful to immediately access different sights, you're probably not someone I'm going to take too seriously.
 
grinrgrn said:
Both the Amazons posted in the OP,as well as the XS-XTI sights that I posted link to are ambi....just flip them around for left hand use.
Other than buying an LPA rear and having to come up with a front solution to piggyback on my PEPR,the other options I'm considering are either Troy Micros or HK 416/417 diopter set piggybacked?Having a helluva time finding exact specs/dimensions for either....specifically the overall height,but from what I've gathered,the Troy Micros' front post height is 1.125" above the rail,a full 3/4"+ shorter then the standard Troys at 1.9".Havent been able to gather any info on the HKs,but they appear to be as short or shorter(?) then the TM?
Weighing the pros and cons of each,I'm kinda leaning towards the HKs now?
A)Kinda like the idea of the 4 setting diopter
B)REALLY like the idea of fixed/ready for action sights vs. flip-ups,which IMHO almost somewhat defeats the purpose of having BUIS if they need to be deployed to use, although I would likely flip them up immediately upon uncasing rifle for hunting?
C)The HKs "appear to be" ever so slightly shorter for piggy application?
D)The HKs are approx 1/2 the $$ of Troy Micros
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Is the peep itself actually manufactured with ambi use in mind? Or are you now looking through the flat side of the peep when mounted on the left side?
 
senecaty said:
Hey all,

I've seen 45 degree back up iron sights on some of the forum sponsors but ran across these today. I may order a set to try them and wanted to share with ya'll as well. They look like a pretty solid non-flip copy.

http://www.amazon.ca/TACTICAL-EXCLU...cp_2_5CT3?ie=UTF8&refRID=1Q10QH26JJ34M1Y593T3

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same knockoffs can be found on eBay for 1/4 the price.
 
misanthropist said:
Keep at it...you'll find those conditions eventually. I have seen them a hundred times.

Downpour, slung rifles to a snap shot

Subzero temps stepping into heated buildings

Running to a target in heavy rain

Hitting the deck in a mud puddle

I could go on but these will take out any scope briefly. If all you do is hunt, you might never see this stuff, I guess.

Not everybody just hunts though.
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I'm not sure why you keep posting scenarios thinking I have not experienced them without issues to my optics like I stated....try dunking your rifle in a below freezing glacier fed creek. My zeiss came out able to be used immediately. (This was not intentional and I do not suggest it is a good idea to do)
 
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