- Location
- Behind a large rock
All well said... Except you forgot about the part where said idiot had his gun LOADED.
Looking for a discreet alternative to the traditional rifle case
- Thread starter Paul_M
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All well said... Except you forgot about the part where said idiot had his gun LOADED.
which is considered intent if you explain it in this manner to a police officer, how many times does that need to be explained?
very good example of what not to do and how not to explain why.
I'm sure one could modify a golf bag for this purpose...
What an absolutely brilliant idea
- Location
- Nova Scotia
I think your miss the point why he wants a discrete case. I highly doubt it's because of police, I'll bet its for neighbors and such.
Well lying to the police saying you don't have firearms is a bigger problem then worrying about hiding your firearms from your neighbors. That's why I have discrete cases its for when I go from my apartment to my trunk of my car and vise versa.
Only 1 person knows and that's my landlord.
redshooter
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Central Ontario
Actually it clearly states that there is a conflict here, and the court addresses our awkward position directly. What we're down to is if your firearm is in a case not designed for firearms it must be clearly marked. Lovely, another grey zone to contend with...what constitutes clearly marked. I'm assuming in a prominent spot, in bold print (my vote is near the handle). Easily read by someone with middle of the road vision from 5'-10', or more?
Thanks for the link fenceline, important to know. The real pisser about that case is it looks like they did this intentionally. The guy was an idiot, what the public peace charge is about, finding him guilty on that would have been a few minutes in front of the Judge saying he did it. This is totally screwed up, it even points directly at one law conflicting with the other, but they plow forward with the opinion anyway. This is a whole other level of Bullscat, looks to me if you have a good Lawyer you'll be good, no money for a Lawyer, better mark your cases...
As for why not just mark your cases. The best security is discretion, and the Federal laws support that in the wording of the safe storage and transport regs. I can think of a few place to live that if you weren't very discrete you will have guests, and you may be home sleeping. If that's the case, only a fool wouldn't err on the side of discretion. If you're asked about why you have your firearms out of sight, "to meet the requirements of the Federal laws pertaining to safe storage and transportation", they'd have to have a serious boner for you to do anything other than advise you to mark them and send you on your way...unless of course it's 3 am in the Wal-Mart Parking lot, I'm assuming you'd likely have some accommodation issue at that point, one problem solved, a new one to contend with.
In the eyes of the law, It doesn't matter who you say you are concealing the firearms from when questioned, It does not change the fact that you were concealing them and admitting to it. Why do you believe that a concealed weapons charge is only if you are hiding the firearm from police? having a concealed weapon is still illegal when police are not present.
Now if you put all your locked pistol cases in a regular suitcase just so you could carry them all at once and that is the only container you had that day available, your intent was not to conceal. You may still end up in court, but the crowns case will not be able to show intent.
Flappy the Corn Clown
Regular
- Location
- British Columbia
I think just about anything should work fine as long as it's out of sight and secure, depending on the type of gun. I used to keep a takedown in my pack with a trigger lock, just for good measure, when I was backpacking around B.C. (read: being a borderline hobo) and never had any problems. Of course, I never got searched or told anyone it was there, either, so there ya go.
I wish I had thought of that when I was still at my first apartment. Got into the elevator with some mother and her kid and she flipped her crap and shrilly demanded to know what was in the case. Said she would have the landlord evict me if I didn't tell her. Some people, man....
I wish I had thought of that when I was still at my first apartment. Got into the elevator with some mother and her kid and she flipped her crap and shrilly demanded to know what was in the case. Said she would have the landlord evict me if I didn't tell her. Some people, man....
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Why? transporting them in the legal methods is not illegal. Expressing an intent to hide, lie about or be "discreet" by intentionally using obscure methods and cases to conceal what you are legally transporting is illegal.
It is not difficult to understand, some people truly are their own worst enemy I guess. My initial post about being questioned about a suitcase was only a warning as to what can happen and would certainly have ended differently if the officers believed my intent was to conceal rather than just legally transport. Obviously some do not agree with the CC of Canada or the firearms act but I did not write them nor do I direct how police and the crown interpret or enforce that law/act any given day
I can just imagine the agonized discussions that Canadian criminals must have when they are transporting their illegal guns:
Thug 1 Damn I have to cap Thug 3 and I don't have an STATT for my illegal handgun to drive over to his crib and settle this.
Thug 2 I told you, you don't need a STATT.
Thug 1 I'm still worried about the jacket I keep it rolled up in. Do you think it is compliant with the regs?
And on and on....................
Thug 1 Damn I have to cap Thug 3 and I don't have an STATT for my illegal handgun to drive over to his crib and settle this.
Thug 2 I told you, you don't need a STATT.
Thug 1 I'm still worried about the jacket I keep it rolled up in. Do you think it is compliant with the regs?
And on and on....................
While I agree with you, I think it is important to acknowledge the rationale for how such errors occur. The whole "discreet" intent that many of us express is precisely to increase public safety as we don't want to announce to any and all watchers that we have guns at home etc. We are just providing good faith efforts to "...protect the public from the danger of stolen guns." The law is an ass on this one. I don't disagree with you in any significant way, but I will continue to be discreet. I will not provide any evidence of my future discretion and am better equipped to do so because of this thread.
I find it hugely ironic that in order to follow Gatehouse's maxim of "don't be an idiot" I have to assume the courts might be the idiot and protect myself accordingly. It is pretty humbling to realize how many times I have been idiotic in the past in terms of being discreet.
Is there even any need for a discrete case? I was holding 2 gun cases in my building elevator (one being camo) and the Einstein in the elevator with me asked what kind of guitars they were... LOL
I said "nope, both gun cases". And he pretty much looked at the wall for the rest of the elevator ride. Made my day actually haha.
I said "nope, both gun cases". And he pretty much looked at the wall for the rest of the elevator ride. Made my day actually haha.
This was my first attempt,....bought this "gator" gig bag for $40, found a cheap airsoft drop leg panel in foliage green for $20. Took this to my my local shoe repair guy. ( there is one in almost every mall.) for $ 15.
