Looking for a good gun for IPSC & IDPA

If you're looking ahead to competition then you want to look at the cost and availability of mags, holster and mag pouches as well as the gun itself.

I know of very few folks that did not like the CZ lineup. And it fits in well on all counts for parts, mags and holsters.
 
The GP6-C is a fantastic choice for a gun that can play in both games without any modification.

The CZ-75 SP01 Shadow is a very popular choice with IPSC shooters, but (as stated in this thread and others) requires modifications to "make weight" in IDPA.

I have both (I have a GP6, not the "C" variant) and have shot both in competition and found them to be, IMHO, about the same. The perceived recoil from the lighter framed GP6 is about the same as the steel framed CZ75 (due to the rotating barrel of the GP6?).

If want an "out of the box" performer, then the GP6-C is probably the best choice. If you don't mind "tinkering" with your gun, then the Shadow is also a great choice.

As much as I like my Shadow, If I could only have 1 gun to shoot both IDPA and IPSC, it would be the GP6-C.
 
Claven2 said:
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the Beretta 92FS (or variant) yet. Robust, smooth action, nice trigger pull, very consistent design. A little older than the plastic wonder-9's (unless you want a 90-two), but a very well refined and proven gun from a top maker.

I really love the 92FS pistols I have owned and competed with. Definitely worth trying one at the range if you have a chance.

Oh, and best of all, you can run cheap 96D mags in it and thereby get 14 rounds of 9mm LEGALLY ;)
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Berettas are junk...;)
 
Claven2 said:
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the Beretta 92FS (or variant) yet. Robust, smooth action, nice trigger pull, very consistent design. A little older than the plastic wonder-9's (unless you want a 90-two), but a very well refined and proven gun from a top maker.

I really love the 92FS pistols I have owned and competed with. Definitely worth trying one at the range if you have a chance.

Oh, and best of all, you can run cheap 96D mags in it and thereby get 14 rounds of 9mm LEGALLY ;)
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I was told due to the first trigger pull being DA and the remaining pulls tell the clip is empty being SA, that it messes ya up. A consistant trigger pull each time is suppose to be better. But in the end get something that feels good in your hands.
 
Canuck44 said:
M&P 9MM either the standard model or the Pro. I would lean towards the Pro. Downside is IPSC has a 5# trigger pull limit for the first shot in Production and the Pro may or may not meet that requirement. I changed my internals on my M&P for a much better trigger pull but alas it is less than 5# now so it is a no go for IPSC.
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Anyone here running a stock M&P 9 Pro Series (5" barrel, lighter trigger, FO sights) in Production IPSC in BC ? As in, right out of the box?

I see it listed on the IPSC Production "approved list" along with the M&P 9L, but the trigger weight is listed on the S&W site as a range from 4 - 5.5 lbs. (#). Is this the difference between its DA and SA pulls?

From the PDF handbook - Production Division rules:
6. Minimum trigger pull (see Appendix F2) 2.27 kg (5lbs) for first shot.
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Does the M&P9 Pro trigger pull 5.5 lbs on the first shot or 4 lbs. This will swing my IPSC Handgun purchasing decision like the OP.

http://www.ipsc.org/rulesfaq.htm#PRD
PDF: http://www.ipsc.org/pdf/RulesHandgun.pdf

Thanks.
 
Canadian_Eh said:
Anyone here running a stock M&P 9 Pro Series (5" barrel, lighter trigger, FO sights) in Production IPSC in BC ? As in, right out of the box?

I see it listed on the IPSC Production "approved list" along with the M&P 9L, but the trigger weight is listed on the S&W site as a range from 4 - 5.5 lbs. (#). Is this the difference between its DA and SA pulls?

From the PDF handbook - Production Division rules: Does the M&P9 Pro trigger pull 5.5 lbs on the first shot or 4 lbs. This will swing my IPSC Handgun purchasing decision like the OP.

http://www.ipsc.org/rulesfaq.htm#PRD
PDF: http://www.ipsc.org/pdf/RulesHandgun.pdf

Thanks.
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No. It is an estimate of what you can expect for the DA pull. S&W might be being a bit optimistic on the claim for a 4# trigger out of the box but as things wear it....Best to check the gun when you buy it I think.

Folks use them in IPSC so it probably is fair to say the guns DA trigger pull is over 5#.

Take Care

Bob
 
Canadian_Eh said:
Anyone here running a stock M&P 9 Pro Series (5" barrel, lighter trigger, FO sights) in Production IPSC in BC ? As in, right out of the box?

I see it listed on the IPSC Production "approved list" along with the M&P 9L, but the trigger weight is listed on the S&W site as a range from 4 - 5.5 lbs. (#). Is this the difference between its DA and SA pulls?

From the PDF handbook - Production Division rules: Does the M&P9 Pro trigger pull 5.5 lbs on the first shot or 4 lbs. This will swing my IPSC Handgun purchasing decision like the OP.

http://www.ipsc.org/rulesfaq.htm#PRD
PDF: http://www.ipsc.org/pdf/RulesHandgun.pdf

Thanks.
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The MP9 and the MP9 Pro only have DA triggers.
 
Canuck44 said:
No. It is an estimate of what you can expect for the DA pull. S&W might be being a bit optimistic on the claim for a 4# trigger out of the box but as things wear it....Best to check the gun when you buy it I think.

Folks use them in IPSC so it probably is fair to say the guns DA trigger pull is over 5#.

Take Care

Bob
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Thanks Canuck44 and carsmovies. Appreciate the info.

Am I being too careful to think it would suck to have a Production division handgun that in a few years might get disqualified for a worn in, smooth, under 5# trigger pull? Right as you are getting good with it. When parts break I assume you can replace them with originals. Is this probably the only way to return the trigger pull to 5# without being disqualified from the Production Division? Not trying to cheat here, just the opposite.
 
Canadian_Eh said:
Thanks Canuck44 and carsmovies. Appreciate the info.

Am I being too careful to think it would suck to have a Production division handgun that in a few years might get disqualified for a worn in, smooth, under 5# trigger pull? Right as you are getting good with it. When parts break I assume you can replace them with originals. Is this probably the only way to return the trigger pull to 5# without being disqualified from the Production Division? Not trying to cheat here, just the opposite.
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I doubt you have much to worry about. If you like the M&P PRo go for it.

Take Care

Bob
 
STI SPARTAN 9. PERIOD all ready for Standard Class. (Oh the mag well was in the pic, but not usable for standard.)

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Canadian_Eh said:
Thanks Canuck44 and carsmovies. Appreciate the info.

Am I being too careful to think it would suck to have a Production division handgun that in a few years might get disqualified for a worn in, smooth, under 5# trigger pull? Right as you are getting good with it. When parts break I assume you can replace them with originals. Is this probably the only way to return the trigger pull to 5# without being disqualified from the Production Division? Not trying to cheat here, just the opposite.
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The only time you'll have to worry about someone checking or questioning your trigger pull is in a level 3 or higher match anyway.
 
carsmovies said:
The only time you'll have to worry about someone checking or questioning your trigger pull is in a level 3 or higher match anyway.
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Level 3? Given my skills I may never have it tested then ;)

Thanks again to Canuck44 and carsmovies for the speedy feedback. I think there might be a S&W M&P9 Pro under the tree this year.
 
Canadian_Eh said:
Thanks Canuck44 and carsmovies. Appreciate the info.

Am I being too careful to think it would suck to have a Production division handgun that in a few years might get disqualified for a worn in, smooth, under 5# trigger pull? Right as you are getting good with it. When parts break I assume you can replace them with originals. Is this probably the only way to return the trigger pull to 5# without being disqualified from the Production Division? Not trying to cheat here, just the opposite.
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One solution is aftermarket...with parts made by Apex Tactical. IPSC Production Division would exclude a pistol modified with the Apex DCAEK, but IPSC Standard and Open Divisions, and IDPA, do permit it.

If IPSC Production - and a heavier trigger weight - was an absolute requirement, S&W (and a S&W warranty station in Canada, like M.D. Charlton) could equip your pistol with the heavier "Massachusetts" trigger (not that you'd want that). Because the M&P is available from the factory in that configuration, and the parts are all factory parts, is would still be IPSC Production legal.
 
carsmovies said:
Sorry but if you're gonna shoot in standard class you might as well shoot .40, .38 super or .45 to get the major point advantage.
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Sorry, but you should really get your facts straight before offering advice. :rolleyes:
The minimum calbre for 'Major' in Standard Division is .40. Therefore, .38 Super would be scored Minor. And mag wells are perfectly acceptable in Standard as long as the gun fits in the IPSC 'Box'.
 
I bought myself a regular CZ75b, because I found a nice satin nickel one, that I liked very much. If I ever find myself getting involved in IPSC then I will trade it in for a Shadow because they seem to be one of the most popular guns in the production class.
 
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