Looking for a gunsmithing lathe??

Yes, but I had to be interested in it to get some information about it on the phone... makes it easier making one... Now, I need to get a dividing head... Or figure out how to get mine back together...

Waddya need a dividing head for, to make one of those? Kinda overkill for a couple sets of holes at 90 degrees from each other.

Use the vise on the mill.

Smack the tube into the vise. Skim a flat down the top side of the tube with an end mill. Loosen the vice and rotate the tube so the flat is against the fixed jaw. Repeat 3 more times. Done. That divides it nicely into 90 degree quadrants (which don't actually have to be all that accurately divided anyways, as you will be adjusting by feel with a indicator anyways). You could freehand the hole with a torch if you could stand the mess, as far as the clearance hole for the bolt handles goes. Has to clear, not has to be accurately measured and made.

Cheers
Trev
 
Waddya need a dividing head for, to make one of those? Kinda overkill for a couple sets of holes at 90 degrees from each other.

Use the vise on the mill.

Smack the tube into the vise. Skim a flat down the top side of the tube with an end mill. Loosen the vice and rotate the tube so the flat is against the fixed jaw. Repeat 3 more times. Done. That divides it nicely into 90 degree quadrants (which don't actually have to be all that accurately divided anyways, as you will be adjusting by feel with a indicator anyways). You could freehand the hole with a torch if you could stand the mess, as far as the clearance hole for the bolt handles goes. Has to clear, not has to be accurately measured and made.

Cheers
Trev

I want to make a muzzle brake too... haha
 
Another ML7-B came up on the island, depending on what comes with it and condition this is a pretty decent price for a small english machine in the west. That gear box that comes with it is a treat to use.

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Saw that one the other day, looks like a really decent buy and well taken care of.

The QC gearbox will cost you near that price to put on, after the fact, if you were willing to do that. Burnerd Adjust-Tru chuck too. Even Myford stopped buying those, as they got way too expensive! Nice kit!

Like as not there will be a minor trove of stuff that comes with, too.

Cheers
Trev
 
Was at a farm sale yesterday, cause it had a " metal lathe, 10" swing, 48 in. bed" listed. turned out to be a Canadian built Fairbanks, apparently built in 1920, over head motor mount, looked like it would have worked off a drive line as well. Way too much lathe for this cowboy and my shop. Sold for 80. ;) Will modern chucks and fixtures work with these old dinosaurs ?

Grizz
 
Was at a farm sale yesterday, cause it had a " metal lathe, 10" swing, 48 in. bed" listed. turned out to be a Canadian built Fairbanks, apparently built in 1920, over head motor mount, looked like it would have worked off a drive line as well. Way too much lathe for this cowboy and my shop. Sold for 80. ;) Will modern chucks and fixtures work with these old dinosaurs ?

Grizz

You may have to build the chuck mounting plate. But yep...

Part of why I need a dividing head is to build a few chuck mounting face plates to the lathe here...
 
Gotta comb the local buy and sells relentlessly and Im pretty sure you can find anything. Do it once a day when you get off work. Putting an add out sometimes generates a suitable response if its around christmas or near summer vacation time as people need spare cash. I've never had good luck with farm auctions or the like.

New toy, was cheap enough to not turn my nose up at and had all the gears except the spindle gear, which thankfully is available, just needs to be faced down and bored out. And will lace up a new leather drive belt to replace the annoying alligator clip one. I have a soft spot for small english lathes, and this Zyto 16 was enough of an odd ball I had to grab it and it was small enough to fit in the back of my jeep. I really wanted an old Drummond, but I've only seen one in Canada, this is close enough to scratch the itch.

Compared to my ML7-B this is a pretty crude machine, the single gear rack and pinion really brings that point home, as it turns a little rougher, much faster and in the opposite direction of rotation and the tailstock casting is a flimsy joke. And in some ways its actually superior, the back gear is much easier to engage, and the compound slide rest is the most maneuverable I have ever seen.........will have to see how rigid it is though but I dont anticipate many roughing cuts on this old hog. And of course, gotta be fast with the oil can on those flip top oilers :rolleyes:

But all in all will make a nice little machine to fit a new bison 3 jaw onto and keep it for skimming parts, trimming cases and making screws and such. Most shops I worked tended to have the "beater" off in the corner with a good 3 jaw mounted for odds and ends or mounting soft jaws on. Definitely saved time when dismounting a 42" 4 jaw meant you needed to use the crane, which the damn millwrongs were always hogging........along with all the lifting eyes cp:

These old belt drives are crude, but they're simple. If your electronics fail all you need to worry about is raiding an old washing machine for a new motor. We will see how this cleans up.

Looking for old iron is a hobby onto itself, have patience, comb kijiji/craigslist/used______ relentlessly and be there with cash first. Now I just need a longbed Super 7........

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I have a collection of Model Engineer Magazine (a British metalworking etc. Hobby oriented magazine) dating back to around the turn of the last century, with a few issues from before.

When you read through the advertisements therein, the really amazing thing that you notice, is what total crap used to get foisted off upon the hobby guys, as machine tools.

We have it Soooo good!

The Chinese crappy machine tools are pure bloody gold in comparison, not to mention that they have essentially driven the prices of small used machine tools downwards (the line "I can buy a new one for less than you are asking" sound familiar?) to a point where you no longer need a bank loan t buy the decent quality stuff, even used.

Nice little rig. Hope it works out for ya!

I have been looking out for a decent long bed Myford too, for quite some time, without much luck. I am sure there are a few out there, but most of the guys that have them seem to be holding pretty tight.

Cheers
Trev
 
There's that outfit in Vic. with a near mint old Myford and accessories for $3800. I believe I spoke with the old fella who had it before them, old Brit who kept it mint. There's also an estate Clausing on Pender Island and I sense a good deal. It did it's last job in May, when the owner passed at 87...his father was doing antique vehicles since 1929, son followed suit. 75 years of old iron. No guns!
 
His pictures sucked that unit looks great. If you ever want to get rid of it...and I have more space...

Ya those pictures were a little ominous, I really didnt know what I was getting into until I saw it in the flesh. In fairness its had ALOT of grime scrubbed off it since I brought it home. You officially have first dibs, should I sell er. And he has a couple more that he hasnt listed for sale yet, was a collection of his brothers, so keep a close eye on craigslist.

Keep an eye out, The island seems to have a fair bit of old small machines along with Van, saw a nice Seneca falls that stayed listed for a few weeks and there was a nice Logan with the stand last year in Van..........still kicking myself about that one. They're out there, the old tinkering boys are dying off and everyone else wants a table top 3D printer. That Myford at the pawn shop is nice, but no quick change box they need to knock about a grand off the price. The stand isn't factory either i dont think.

I have a collection of Model Engineer Magazine (a British metalworking etc. Hobby oriented magazine) dating back to around the turn of the last century, with a few issues from before.

When you read through the advertisements therein, the really amazing thing that you notice, is what total crap used to get foisted off upon the hobby guys, as machine tools.

We have it Soooo good!

The Chinese crappy machine tools are pure bloody gold in comparison, not to mention that they have essentially driven the prices of small used machine tools downwards (the line "I can buy a new one for less than you are asking" sound familiar?) to a point where you no longer need a bank loan t buy the decent quality stuff, even used.

Nice little rig. Hope it works out for ya!

I have been looking out for a decent long bed Myford too, for quite some time, without much luck. I am sure there are a few out there, but most of the guys that have them seem to be holding pretty tight.

Cheers
Trev

Ya, Adepts come to mind...or those aweful old Craftsman/Dunlap little lathes, almost bought one to rig up as a case trimmer then came to my senses.
 
Another Seneca Falls? I'd like to have seen that. I bought a Seneca Falls Star in Vic. with full accessories including universal milling attachment, except the milling shaft and u joint. 36 inches between centers and weighs 500 lbs with legs. She's a gymnast. But, there are still faint scrape marks on the ways. I'm not sure the milling attachment has ever been used. Only real issue is someone bored the spindle nose off kilter.

I think there are more machines close to seaports. Cheaper to ship.
 
If you have the grey Seneca Star from a year ago, I hum and hawed about that lathe myself.

Good point about the seaport towns having more machines.
 
No this one was never listed. Ye olde trick I learned from my little brother: 'Got any other stuff for sale?' Went for a fishtank left with a lawnmower and half the contents of a bankrupt liquor store. Folks would be coming to visit we'd be pouring Hennessey.
 
Another Seneca Falls? I'd like to have seen that. I bought a Seneca Falls Star in Vic. with full accessories including universal milling attachment, except the milling shaft and u joint. 36 inches between centers and weighs 500 lbs with legs. She's a gymnast. But, there are still faint scrape marks on the ways. I'm not sure the milling attachment has ever been used. Only real issue is someone bored the spindle nose off kilter.

I think there are more machines close to seaports. Cheaper to ship.

Dunno about that. Rail used to be cheap as, or cheaper, than postage. Anything too big to fit in an envelope used to come by Rail if you ordered it in. At least in the 1900's on to near the present day. The West Coast, and to an extent, the rest of Canada, as an outpost of a 'greater civilization', saw a lot more of the British tools as a side effect.

Prices on decent quality home shop tools spiked way stupid high for a short period, and drove folks to look overseas for cheaper. For the longest while, you could write off to South Bend and send them a deposit, and they would ship you a 9 inch lathe and accessories for well under a thousand dollars. IIRC, I can recall the sum of $263.00 being advertised in the post WW2 era. A guy making workmans wages could reasonably look at that and think it affordable.

In contrast, when South Bend finally keeled over and died it's natural and inevitable death (the real SB, not the Grizzly Tools owner buying the rights to slather the logo on his import stuff), they were asking in the region of $15,000 American, for that same basic machine, which they were still selling, without ever having modernized it at all. I may still have the price quote they sent me somewhere in my junk. It was a shocker, as it was damn near what I was making in a year, at that time.

Myford did the same before they died off. Late 1970's, a friend of mine ordered in a new Tri Leva ML7, with a box of extra goodies, and he paid a bit over $2K delivered. About a third of the price of a working mans car off the lot. When Myford died, they wanted over $20,000 for a Super7. Plus more money if you actually wanted chucks, etc. All while to put it into perspective, a decent basic car could be got for that or less. A fellow that had toured the Myford plant while they were still operating, described it as a "bunch of old guys coming to work, waiting to die".

I like my wee Myford, and like as not, will have it, or one like it, until I have to sell it so they can wheel my cranky old arse into a home, but I am under no fantasies about it being the be-all to end all. But it's a decent enough tool, and I am happy to have it.

Cheers
Trev
 
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