CZ is definitely a higher quality firearm. Usually savage cheaps out on the stock and the accuracy reviews I read didn't seem much better than a normal semi auto.
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CZ is definitely a higher quality firearm. Usually savage cheaps out on the stock and the accuracy reviews I read didn't seem much better than a normal semi auto.
hometownhero
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Yup I can agree with this. None of my savages would shoot overly well. The odd .5" group at 50 would happen but nothing worth mentioning. The quality difference is well worth the little bit extra.
If you're shooting at 25 yards I would agreed. But park a scope on the rifles and shoot at 100+. The difference is noticeable. My anschutz is more accurate than my CZ. If savages were just as accurate as an anschutz then more Olympians would use savages no?
Also, why have you wasted your money on custom builds if the savages are just as accurate? What kind of ammo so you run?
No disrespect meant, but surely we can both agree that the plastic stock models of mkii have a cheap stock.
I only shoot at 50, 100 & 200 meters, and "no" the difference is not particularly noticeable... I do have a couple stand out rifles, one a CZ Lux with SK St+ and an Anschutz 1712 Silhouette with Wolf MT... but other than those two rigs, the Savage rifles hold their own just fine.
I run CCI SV's in most standard rimfires, SK Standard + in many and Wolf MT in some... none of my Savages wear synthetic stocks... I don't like synthetic stocks on Savage rimfires or CZ rimfires or Ruger rimfires... I don't much like synthetic stocks period... as far as custom guns go... there are MANY reasons other than pure accuracy to do a custom build... but I also expect them to be accurate. In entry level classes there are plenty of Savage rifles winning matches... but it is natural for more serious competitors to refine their equipment... and if you run in those circles you can attest first hand to the snobbery that exists there...
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I dislike synthetic stocks aswell! But it's no longe a $230 gun if you had to pay another $100+ to make the stock not a hunk of junk 
I'm not saying savages are garbage. I seriously considered the MKii BTSLSS when deciding which route to go for a rimfire repeater. I just personally believe the quality of a CZ to be superior. And you can't compare a $600 CZ to a $200 savage and expect the same quality. But the ticket on the BTVSS is in the $500 area and guys are still needing to upgrade mag well metal and tweaks to make them worth while. My CZ was a gem right out of the box.
For Queen and Country! =P
I'm not saying savages are garbage. I seriously considered the MKii BTSLSS when deciding which route to go for a rimfire repeater. I just personally believe the quality of a CZ to be superior. And you can't compare a $600 CZ to a $200 savage and expect the same quality. But the ticket on the BTVSS is in the $500 area and guys are still needing to upgrade mag well metal and tweaks to make them worth while. My CZ was a gem right out of the box.
For Queen and Country! =P
I dislike synthetic stocks aswell! But it's no longe a $230 gun if you had to pay another $100+ to make the stock not a hunk of junk
I'm not saying savages are garbage. I seriously considered the MKii BTSLSS when deciding which route to go for a rimfire repeater. I just personally believe the quality of a CZ to be superior. And you can't compare a $600 CZ to a $200 savage and expect the same quality. But the ticket on the BTVSS is in the $500 area and guys are still needing to upgrade mag well metal and tweaks to make them worth while. My CZ was a gem right out of the box.
For Queen and Country! =P
It sounds from that statement like you have never owned a Savage rimfire... it also sounds like you own a single rimfire repeater... thanks for your informed opinion... love the internet.
I have had a couple dozen Savage rimfire rifles and over a hundred of various brands and models over the past 50 years...
Have you ever heard of "Yo-Dave" and 11mm rings???
hometownhero
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I have owned about 7 or 8 I forget now I can say that after "upgrading" a savage it still wasn't anywhere lose to what you get with a factory cz. Also the Savages that are in the $500 area are still the same $200 gun with a fancy stock, tin foil bottom metal and and action made from a thin walled piece of pipe. But if that is what you like right on good for you.
Also what does 11mm rings have to do with it? Savages need scope rings as well. Cz also uses ⅜" rings just like many other guns out there. Yo-dave is just something you can add is you want to. All of my cz's don't need added parts. The triggers are great out of the box and they don't have that damn blade in the middle of then to screw up either.
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+++ I agree, my savage TRR shoots eye of rabbit easily at 150 yrds, and can punch single ragged hole at 75 yrds. It is heavy, but ACCURATE. The only other rifle I have shot that is more accurate with open sites was my mothers old BSA heavy barrel single shot.
Bwahahahahahaha!!! Awesome post!
You must be related to the guy who shoots squirrels in the eye at 150m with his .22lr all day every day; and even times his shots between the squirrels' blinks so as to not waste the eyelid meat....
Seriously though, if your rifle is "easily" capable of shooting rabbits in the eye at 150 yards AND can punch "single ragged holes" at 75 yards; you should offer it to a lesser quality manufacturer like Anschutz so they can study it and learn how to build such an accurate .22lr rifle...
Yeah I currently only have a CZ 453 Varmint and an a Anschutz single shot. I have owned many more rimfire rifles... But I am not a firearms collector. I am a shooter. If it's not for me then I sell it to someone who will enjoy it. Because I do this, I've been able to afford to try far more guns than I normally could have. Much thanks to my fellow CGNers for that!
I ll admit that I have never owned a Savage rifle, but I have shot a couple of them. Including a MKii. As stated, I'm just attempting to help the OP make an informed decision based on extensive research I did not long ago for my purchase. My 453 needs no trigger upgrade, it's a single set trigger (with no blade through it)
.Glad you are happy with the 37 savages lining you gun room walls.
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You seem to think that I am bashing CZ... I own a whole lot more CZ's than you do (re; RFC Canadian thread in CZ forum)... and I like them all... whereas you float from thread to thread with your "Savage bashing/CZ Loving" comments... I appreciate what Savage rimfires bring to the table, an affordable accurate gun... it is also a good platform to build off of... I have also done work to most of my CZ rimfires (about 15 or so)... not because I have to, but because I want to... this thread is about CZ .22 LR, with the 452 being recommended, and they come with 11mm dovetails which is a pain to find rings or convert to weaver/picatinny... the truth is that there is too much talk about "fixing" Savage rimfire rifles... they don't NEED fixing to shoot well... what is actually being done is tweaking... which I love to do... whether Savage, CZ, Ruger, Remington, Winchester or Anschutz.
Yeah I currently only have a CZ 453 Varmint and an a Anschutz single shot. I have owned many more rimfire rifles... But I am not a firearms collector. I am a shooter. If it's not for me then I sell it to someone who will enjoy it. Because I do this, I've been able to afford to try far more guns than I normally could have. Much thanks to my fellow CGNers for that!
I ll admit that I have never owned a Savage rifle, but I have shot a couple of them. Including a MKii. As stated, I'm just attempting to help the OP make an informed decision based on extensive research I did not long ago for my purchase. My 453 needs no trigger upgrade, it's a single set trigger (with no blade through it)
Glad you are happy with the 37 savages lining you gun room walls.
Thanks for illustrating both your lack of actual experience AND the problem with asking for advice on the Internet...
Never claimed to have owned one. Just what I have learned from extensive research. You've been dodging points about stocks and bottom metal. Do you think they're fine? Personal attacks about my "level of experience" don't prove your point. Anschutz will have a tighter machining tolerance and higher quality steel than savage and that will be reflected in the price. (And usually in the accuracy)
I run 3/8" dovetail on my CZ with no problems.
Pointing out that you have no actual experience is not a "personal attack," it is a fact... one you made yourself. I have been actually owning, using and working on rimfire (& centerfire) rifles for a long time... I am not basing my opinion on "extensive research" (which amounts to manufacturers brochures and online BS from more "experts")... I have actually owned, worked on and shot the guns that i am voicing my opinion on...
And... I did not skirt questions about Savage mods... I stated above that nothing NEEDS to be done, but I do it anyway because I enjoy that... my Savages all use DIP mag plates and DIP rails and Boyd's stocks... my "CZ'S" all wear DIP rails, have Yo-Dave triggers, metal TG'S and the poly mags were all changed to metal mags... hmmm... right outta the box...
A guy just asked in this forum where he can get bottom metal for his TRR because he bent the hell out of it while tightening down the action screws. Doesn't sound like quality to me. Perhaps you can direct him to where he can get quality bottom metal as that doesn't come from the factory.
I have experience and am an avid bench rest shooter in both centerfire and rimfire. I just don't have any experience with savages as I prefer a better quality rifle. That's not snobbery... That's a fact.
By your logic there is no reason for the OP (or anyone else) to listen to you. As you have stated that internet opinions on rifles have no merit.
Not all rifles are created equal... As you would suggest
I have experience and am an avid bench rest shooter in both centerfire and rimfire. I just don't have any experience with savages as I prefer a better quality rifle. That's not snobbery... That's a fact.
By your logic there is no reason for the OP (or anyone else) to listen to you. As you have stated that internet opinions on rifles have no merit.
Not all rifles are created equal... As you would suggest
As you have so aptly demonstrated, there is a whale of a difference between an informed opinion and the opinion of some faceless "talking head" who had done "extensive research..." online, the difficulty is deciphering which is which.
For the record, I was not suggesting that a bottom end Savage MKII is the equal of a Cooper or Anschutz or CZ for that matter... but they are a legitimate choice in their niche and remarkably accurate for guns at that price point.
As far as the bottom metal goes... according to my torque wrench, you have to have 3-4 times the recommended torque on the action screws before it bends the metal (I tried it)... there is no engineering for user error.
Not all rifles are equal... but a company that can build a gun that keeps up with guns costing two to three or four times as much, in the accuracy department, is not all bad... we should be thanking Savage for helping us to introduce new and young shooters to the sport by supplying inexpensive equipment.
