low recoil 25 cal

QueensHorseman said:
I have shot quite a few caribou, a couple black bears, a wolf, and a few deer with a .250-3000 in a model 99a. The 1970's rifles had 1-10" twist barrels and I believe that is the best twist rate. I used both 87 and 100 grain Winchester factory loads as well as 100 grain Noslers for the bears. I really do like the little .250 and in a small bolt rifle the brass would last a bit better. Recoil is great.

I've never owned a .243 but it would likely do just as well but I decided years ago I didn't care for the round. Not every decision needs to me rational! I also have a CZ in 7.62x39 and my girls enjoy shooting it. I really think the recipe is a moderate cartridge that is accurate, has modest recoil so people shoot them well, and people don't try to shoot too far with them. I would never have considered buying a 7.62x39 a few years ago but the little CZ bolt gun changed all that and surplus practice ammo is so cheap, I only load hunting rounds. Make sure you glass bed it if you by a little CZ.

I would decide based on the rifle you prefer and your willingness to reload. Practice with the rifle and it will be an over achiever.
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IMO, anything a medium cased 25cal can do with 100gr bullets a 243 will do just as well (or better, considering the slightly higher sectional density, and likely a better BC if comparing the same bullets). The 243 offers the option of loading some really light pills(eg 65gr vmax), which can make the recoil very tolerable for kids to practice with, especially if they are not full power loads.
 
At least reloading the 250 Savage you can just FL size 22-250 brass and load it. I advise using Hornady dies as the expander button is quite tappered and case loss has been zero so far as opposed to blunter RCBS.In a modern BA Win 760 /Fed mag primer/ 100gr bullet is hard to beat............Harold
 
conor_90 said:
Am I missing something here? Is this not a 250-3000? 30 whelen style joke that went over my head?


One of my flights of fancy is a mini action in 25/45 sharps or 6x45. Too many dream guns not enough money, should never have sold my k1 .243 cause I keep thinking about a short barreled one of those.
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That is exactly what it is, which is why there have been several comments joking about it, since the .22-250 is nothing more than a necked down .250 Savage (aka .250-3000). Reinventing the chambering by re-wildcatting it back to the original.
 
The problem, if I understand it correctly, is that you want a quarter bore suitable for deer hunting that won't scare the pants off a kid. To my thinking the solution is a .250 Savage, a .257 Bob, a .25/06 or a .257 Bee that is handloaded to meet the requirements you need to fill. Handloading provides greater versatility than cartridge selection. Now the only problem you need to address is the size of the rifle; short action or long, lightweight or medium, the barrel contour and length, to make balance and fit appropriate for a young shooter.
 
Kids come in different ages, sizes and temperaments, but my kid has been shooting his .257 Weatherby Mark V since he was 10. Recoil isn't that much with full power 100 grain loads, and there is still the option of lighter loads and bullets. 80 grain TTSXs recoil
about the same as my garden hose.
 
Dogleg said:
Kids come in different ages, sizes and temperaments, but my kid has been shooting his .257 Weatherby Mark V since he was 10. Recoil isn't that much with full power 100 grain loads, and there is still the option of lighter loads and bullets. 80 grain TTSXs recoil
about the same as my garden hose.
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I have the 7mm WSM downloaded for my nephew, with 140 grain BTH and 40.0 grains of H4895... it is a real pussycat. I never felt the need to download the .257 Roberts as the kids handled full 115 grain loads with no trouble.
 
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I thank you for the input, trying to stay away from the larger 25's, after all I have a 6.5x55.

Looking for a lightweight, economical to reload in large quantity (223 brass is cheap!), low recoil cartridge/rifle suitable for deer.

Although it's not in 25, the CZ 527 might be the answer. Think I'll keep my eyes open for a 99A as well.
 
.223 brass and 257 caliber is calling for 25/45 sharps.

Build it on a cz 527 or howa mini and sell it to me when you get bored.
 
I LOVE my .250-3000 Ackley. Does what a .257 Roberts will do, but IMHO functions better in a short action. I know the Bob fits in short actions too, but I have owned several, and MUCH preferred the long action.
You can use the .22-250 case, naturally.
 
SuperCub said:
Yes sir! ...... Agreed!
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I believe we discussed this before, SC!
I had my Savage 16 Ackley-ized by Dennis (Guntech) and I'm getting an easy 3100 fps and less than MOA with Barnes 100's, and close to 3000 with 115's, also very accurate. I've been in love with the Roberts since forever, but I have owned half a dozen and found them finicky compared to the Savage. And I just found several hundred rounds of factory Silvertips....
 
250-3000 sav and if you want to be that odd guy, make it a 250-3000 AI. I can't honestly see the purpose in building a 250 sav on a long action, at that point, just build or buy a 25-06. For some reason the 25-06 and 257 weatherby have absolutely dominated that 25 cal spot over the last few years in readily available factory chambered rifles, but the 250 sav has been around for many years and has killed almost everything in North America. One of these days il left off my butt and build my self a 250 ai as my "ultimate deer gun" gun, but until then, I'll continue to shoot my nearly perfect 260 rem.
 
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