M-14 Blasphemy?

hey , i can TOP that- i have several m14s, and they rank like this- TRW IS NO 1, then the norc, then the springfield, and finally bringing up the rear, the h&r-and yes, i know i'm talking about REAL m14s and cloones at the same time- YOU DO NOT GET WHAT YOU PAY FORwhen it comes to the m14 pattern- when you buy springfield, YOU ARE PAYING FOR THE NAME- they've had more than their fair share of out of spec receivers, broken oprods, and trigger problems- THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THE WARRANTY , which becomes moot when you BUY FROM MARSTAR- if it doesn't screw up in the first year, chances are it's not going to- i don't buy a gun on fit and finish, i buy on FUNCTIONALITY AND RELIABILITY- the 14 was concieved as an ugly offspring between a bar and a garand , and no amount of wood and polish is goung to negate that big mag hanging out in nowhere-

Hey today is your lucky day. I'll buy and send two Norinco's for your Springfield. I'll equal that for your prohib TRW or H&R. Just say the word. No point having a rifle that by law does not function. Not when you can have two beautifully crafted mechanical masterpieces in it's place.
 
Hey today is your lucky day. I'll buy and send two Norinco's for your Springfield. I'll equal that for your prohib TRW or H&R. Just say the word. No point having a rifle that by law does not function. Not when you can have two beautifully crafted mechanical masterpieces in it's place.

i may be old and slow, BUT I'M NOT that slow- besides, by sheer luck , the SPRINGFIELD was my ISSUED m14, not an m1a
 
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Old and slow is one thing but bad at math is another :) I think if you want to match dollar for dollar you are looking at 3 or 4 Norincos for the price of a Springfield.

BTW how did you get your issued rifle as a civilian? And are you in the states?
 
Good Math, good sense

You guys are the ones telling me that the extra money is a waste. Forget the dollars you were ripped off. You got to try and salvage some value. You want the best rifle you can have so when a guy offers two for an inferior US made copy you should jump all over it.

This is a no brainer.
 
Umm, gee why don't I just go and buy 2 rifles for cheaper than your proposed trade value? Or sell the Springfield to someone else and go buy 4? I guess these are dumb ideas, your deal sounds like better sense.

Have you ever owned a Norc? I wouldn't think so from the way you disparage them. Probably defile your gun safe to put one in there.

From your ignorance of expired copyrights to your ranting of how they are not M14s I got to ask how you formed your opinion. If you got to put them down you would do better with the moral argument of not wanting to support communist China, I couldn't fault you there.

Ignorance is the precurser to Prejudice. Base your opinions on facts, not race and hate.
 
Old and slow is one thing but bad at math is another :) I think if you want to match dollar for dollar you are looking at 3 or 4 Norincos for the price of a Springfield.

BTW how did you get your issued rifle as a civilian? And are you in the states?

no, but that's why i consider it as PURE LUCK- it was seconded to israel, then surplussed, and then back into my greedy little hands- you NEVER forget your rifle's serial number , same as your service number- they could have charged a million bucks for that gun and i'd have paid it- oh yea, it's a REAL M14- funswitch welded shut when i got it back
 
Stupid is as stupid does

Got me there Santa. I've handled Norinco's briefly. The finish was enough to make me gag. You see I don't own any junky firearms, well there is that old cooey 22. It is in great shape though. My worst M1 Garand is nicer than the best I've seen here. Appearance counts.

Back to trying to discredit me with the perceived racial hatred thing hunh? When I criticize china for making poor replicas with underpaid labor it is exactly their system I talk about. It is not condemnation of the people. This is not my only hobby/pastime. We see the exact same thing in RC aircraft. Inferior materials and workmanship. It's caused a number of the older quality manufacturers to go under. Some people will buy strictly by price tag. Me, I'll pay $100 for a bottle of good Scotch even if it is only slightly better than a $50 bottle. You see I'm worth it.

I'll try to make this as simple and clear as I can for you. If it was not made as a US M14 by one of the originally contracted companies it is not one. Once again I am not calling my M1A one and neither do they.

I don't see anyone taking me up on my offer to trade two for one. Any takers? No I didn't think so. What does that tell you?
 
Got me there Santa. I've handled Norinco's briefly. The finish was enough to make me gag. You see I don't own any junky firearms, well there is that old cooey 22. It is in great shape though. My worst M1 Garand makes the best one I've seen here look like junk. Appearance counts.

Back to trying to discredit me with the perceived racial hatred thing hunh? When I criticize china for making poor replicas with underpaid labor it is exactly their system I talk about. It is not condemnation of the people. This is not my only hobby/pastime. We see the exact same thing in RC aircraft. Inferior materials and workmanship. It's caused a number of the older quality manufacturers to go under. Some people will buy strictly by price tag. Me, I'll pay $100 for a bottle of good Scotch even if it is only slightly better than a $50 bottle. You see I'm worth it.

I'll try to make this as simple and clear as I can for you. If it was not made as a US M14 by one of the originally contracted companies it is not one. Once again I am not calling my M1A one and neither do they.

I don't see anyone taking me up on my offer to trade two for one. Any takers? No I didn't think so. What does that tell you?

that's b/c there are not that MANY of of us 12(3) holders left- he had to jump through a LOT of hoops to get here- i've got an uzi sub as well, but we can't sell to JUST ANYONE
 
Seafury = troll.
Do not feed people, he might bite your fingers.

BTW, the norc is more like a 95 dollar bottle of whiskey you get on sale for 50 bucks cuz they made too much. What fool is going to pay a hundred for something only a little better?

KMA

Norinco is just a shooter. Don't hang it on the wall, it's embarassing. Anyone here would have a Springfield if they could/would cough up the cash. As I posted before, enjoy them but don't build them up to be something they are not.
 
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that's b/c there are not that MANY of of us 12(3) holders left- he had to jump through a LOT of hoops to get here- i've got an uzi sub as well, but we can't sell to JUST ANYONE

I'm 12-3, read my posts. I've owned TRW. Another good reason to accept my offer. Two non restricted for one prohibited. Hell I'll take the crappy HR. I may be new to the site but I'm not new to the game.
 
Got me there Santa. I've handled Norinco's briefly. The finish was enough to make me gag. You see I don't own any junky firearms, well there is that old cooey 22. It is in great shape though. My worst M1 Garand is nicer than the best I've seen here. Appearance counts.

Back to trying to discredit me with the perceived racial hatred thing hunh? When I criticize china for making poor replicas with underpaid labor it is exactly their system I talk about. It is not condemnation of the people. This is not my only hobby/pastime. We see the exact same thing in RC aircraft. Inferior materials and workmanship. It's caused a number of the older quality manufacturers to go under. Some people will buy strictly by price tag. Me, I'll pay $100 for a bottle of good Scotch even if it is only slightly better than a $50 bottle. You see I'm worth it.

I'll try to make this as simple and clear as I can for you. If it was not made as a US M14 by one of the originally contracted companies it is not one. Once again I am not calling my M1A one and neither do they.

I don't see anyone taking me up on my offer to trade two for one. Any takers? No I didn't think so. What does that tell you?[/QUOTE]


That you are offering a bad deal! Why would I pay you a middleman premium?
 
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I get pissed when I have to expose myself and my posessions to people that I don't believe should even work security at the airport to begin with. Anglo Saxon White guy gets once over from former inhabitants of Dhirka Dhirka Stan. What a joke.


These are your words. Tell me what I am percieving here please.
 
Wow aren't you a clever little monkey. All computer literate and such. It's a big friggin jump from not liking the fact that some people don't observe copyright laws and flagrantly copy anything they can sell and make a buck on to hatred for people due to the color of their skin.

You should buy one of those inexpensive reupold Mark 4 scopes on Ebay so you can get what I'ma sayin.

Does it not seem unfair to you that although virtually all of the terror crimes commited in the world are done by radical muslims that me (canadian born guy of Scottish decent) and some little old lady are subject to the same scrutiny just because we don't want to hurt anyones feelings. Don't you see the irony that 95% of the people doing the checking are foreign born? Profiling is just common sense.

You might talk a white guy into blowing up a plane but he sure as s**t won't be on it.

Oh and I'm not angry at all just opinionated. I do love the exchange.


Some people or some countries? With a perceived violation of copyright law...

Just opinionated? Might try putting some facts in with your opinion. And if you love the exchange why do you have to stoop to name calling?
 
I'm 12-3, read my posts. I've owned TRW. Another good reason to accept my offer. Two non restricted for one prohibited. Hell I'll take the crappy HR. I may be new to the site but I'm not new to the game.

to sell one of these would conflict with my vision- i intend to get one from each manufacturer, which would mean i have only the winchester to obtain- and i'm waiting on the ITALIAN ones from marstar to shoot
 
to sell one of these would conflict with my vision- i intend to get one from each manufacturer, which would mean i have only the winchester to obtain- and i'm waiting on the ITALIAN ones from marstar to shoot
Any idea as to when those will be in stock? Hopefully this year sometime.
 
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Just to throw some gas on the fire....

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Here's my USGI/Chinese half breed:D

The "offending" Chinese parts are:

- Receiver (obviously).
- Trigger group.
- Gas cyl/piston.

This is by far my favourite rifle I have ever had and yes I do own a Springfield as well.
 
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Hey... I have 3 rifles here, nonresricted, and the manufacturers model designations are clearly stamped NORINCO M14
No's' at the end, no m305 ..... Just plain ol M14
Of particular interest is the reggie certs... Under model it clearly states M14

So.... I do realize these are clones made in china and not true US M14 RIFLES
- can tell the difference cuz I've been in the game.... A while.
I have a client with a 12-3 collection.... Tell you what... 6 of the new marstar rifles new in unopened boxes and I'll get ralph to let you take your pic LOL
Thsis offer is only for seafury
For everyone else.... Ralph does not exist :D :evil:
 
Humility

to sell one of these would conflict with my vision- i intend to get one from each manufacturer, which would mean i have only the winchester to obtain- and i'm waiting on the ITALIAN ones from marstar to shoot

t-Star, let me say I am aware that you have quite a number of M14 and clone rifles. Your goal is clearly to own a variety so I never expected to entice you with the offer. Your ownership of them entitles you to the opinion you hold. Own and enjoy them all. I've said that right through.

Klaus, obviously I am your single biggest pet peeve. You have taken some time to compile what I have said and made it your mission to dwell on it and point out the fine points in my grammar. If I have made you uncomfortable I apologize for that. It was never my intention to do so but having said that allow me to have my opinion. You don't need to agree.

Francisco, I am not trying to instigate anything. I have an opinion that is unpopular and therefore not accepted. So that means I should not voice it? I believe in your post you are if indirectly calling me unintelligent and immature. Is that not a violation of exactly what you say? Does a clever choice of wording make you immune from it?

The reason I came on this site was to utilize the resource to find some things I wanted and tap the information and experience here. If you look at the battle rifles section the line following it says unintended advertising for Norinco. How true that is. It offends me that this Company has named its product after what I like to think is the best 308 battle rifle when it is only a cheap knockoff. Do some shoot fairly well? Groups are like fish stories in that their sizes are exagerated. There are not that many people who can shoot an inch at a hundred yards with iron. I believe there is a lot of false pride when it comes to these firearms.

This is a battle I can't win so with that I'll withdraw and concentrate my effort here to do what I set out to. In fairness to you all I will allow you to revel in your ownership of these firearms without my input as I should have done from the beginning.
 
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